Thursday, March 15, 2007

Gadget Request: Large Hose

Gadget Name: Large Hose
Gadget Description: This gadget may only be used occasionally. The user of this gadget may target eir current location in an attempt to flood it, provided it is a land territory. All agents, including the agent with the hose, are moved by the Mastermind a random land territory bordering the flooded territory. The old land territory is now considered a sea territory for the proposes of all other rules.

Comments

Seebo:

15-03-2007 15:02:28 UTC

Does it matter that this says “All agents” as opposed to “all agents on the flooded territory”? It should be implied, but I’m worried about how some of you guys interpret text rather strictly… >_<

Clucky: he/him

15-03-2007 15:38:49 UTC

Yeah. Techinally this would move all agents. Oops <_<

Amnistar: he/him

15-03-2007 15:49:09 UTC

veto so you can quickly repropose :p

Hix:

15-03-2007 15:51:06 UTC

It doesn’t say who’s allowed to use this gadget, either (presumably, the Agent who has the Large Hose is the only one)

spikebrennan:

15-03-2007 17:22:51 UTC

Delightful concept.  Fix the problems, and I will vote for it.

Clucky: he/him

15-03-2007 18:25:03 UTC

Gadgets can only be resolved after 48 hours, Amnistar.

Also, Hix, only owners of gadgets can use gadgets

Hix:

15-03-2007 19:26:30 UTC

Huh?  “owner”?  “use”?  Next you’ll be talking about “holding” and “carrying” Gadgets as if they were defined keywords.  Even working with reasonable and intuitive definitions for “owner” and “use”, where are you getting that only owners can use Gadgets?  As far as the Ruleset is concerned, the only effects of having a Gadget are that it appears on your list of Gadgets (this is practically the definition of having a Gadget), and that it counts against your maximun number of Gadgets.  If you intend for owning the Gadget to have some effect, you should say so in the Gadget description.

The “description of what the gadget does” could be anything; if the gadget is one that is “used”, it must specificy precicely how it is “used” (including who may use it), since there are no Rules explaining how the content of the Gadget descriptions are to be interpreted, except that they may neither edit the ruleset nor grant victory.  Everyone should get into the habit of wording gadget descriptions as if they were Rules in the Ruleset.

ChronosPhaenon:

15-03-2007 20:28:42 UTC

I agree with Hix

spikebrennan:

15-03-2007 20:51:29 UTC

I should point out that the definition of “sea territory” is in a Rule, not in any other kind of Gamestate document—as a result, a Gadget, in and of itself, cannot change the status of a territory as a land or a sea territory.

Clucky: he/him

16-03-2007 14:36:41 UTC

Actually, it can, because it is says “Is considered a sea territory” it never is actually defined as a sea territory.

Clucky: he/him

17-03-2007 03:28:39 UTC

Gadget Denied