Thursday, January 27, 2022

Proposal: Get Him on the Workfloor, Plus Incentives

Timed out. Fails 3-4—Clucky

Adminned at 29 Jan 2022 23:04:34 UTC

Add to the subrule “Research & Development”:

*Increase that employee’s options by the average of all dice rolled. If this would add more than 15 options, only add 15.

In the subrule “Manufacturing”, add the following:

*Increase the Vested Value of the employee who produced the box by the box’s value times 10. If this would add more than the company’s budget times 15, only add the company’s budget times 15.

Add to the subrule “Sales”:

As a weekday action, an employee may advertise the company by performing the following atomic action:
* Roll 1DICEX, where X is the company budget. The result of this roll divided by 5 is known as advertisement’s Expense.
* Roll 1DICEY, where Y is the company budget minus [20 times the number of orders]. This is the advertisement’s Effectiveness.
* If the advertisement’s Effectiveness is higher than it’s Expense, then the Employee who took the advertising action may immediately sell a box, then once again advertise, regardless of if those actions would otherwise be legal. This is known as a selling streak. Actions taken as part of a selling streak do not add productivity, but always add options according to the incentive formula.

Set the special case rule Dynastic Distance to be inactive.

In the rule “Departments”, replace the paragraph starting with “For the purpose of” with:

For the purpose of rules which allow members of certain departments to perform certain actions, the CEO is considered a member of the department whose employees have the lowest combined productivity (ignoring the CEO’s productivity).

We really need a more dynamic way of getting things done if idleness happens, so I’m hoping this is enough to convince everyone. The actions I added should also promote more activity, as gaining resources is now much easier (aside from productivity, but that’s meant to measure how active you are, anyway, I wouldn’t call it a resource)


Clucky: he/him

27-01-2022 20:30:21 UTC

This hardly seems fair. One option is currently worth $1000. Currently rolling DICE15s so would expect 7 options for a total of $7,000

A box’s value currently can’t be more than 260. If we ever get to the point where we have bigger boxes, the options will also go up and so R&D still get a huge advantage.

Meanwhile sales gets no bonus way to increase options or vesting at all???

SupernovaStarbright: she/they

27-01-2022 20:44:13 UTC

> A box’s value currently can’t be more than 260. If we ever get to the point where we have bigger boxes, the options will also go up and so R&D still get a huge advantage.

I meant to take out the divided by 5, whoops. Using the full value should help a bit, but yes, it does leave a slight advantage for the person making the proposal.

>Meanwhile sales gets no bonus way to increase options or vesting at all???

Sales does get a bonus! You have theoretically infinite actions in a day, meaning theoretically infinite options; there’s randomness and it’s limited by the number of boxes in the warehouse, but you’re no longer solidly constrained by the “one per day” rule on actions.

SupernovaStarbright: she/they

27-01-2022 20:44:36 UTC

I forgot about the “first action” thing on options, let me fix that.

SupernovaStarbright: she/they

27-01-2022 20:48:03 UTC

I even removed the sales advantage because you’re right, as the budget grows, options get much more powerful than a set amount of vested value


27-01-2022 21:16:16 UTC

Hoo boy! I’m going to have to go over this proposal a second time. (Chances of it passing are low, though, as it requires quorum.)

Clucky: he/him

27-01-2022 21:58:56 UTC

still feels like this probably favors R&D

SupernovaStarbright: she/they

27-01-2022 22:16:09 UTC

Well, yes, it does a bit. I’m in R&D, I proposed something that benefits R&D slightly more than the other departments. It is slight, though: manufacturing can’t hoard bonus options, they get the vested value immediately; sales has a slight randomness to whether they get the bonus (but can get way more for a single action). I really do think it balances out fairly well, overall.

SupernovaStarbright: she/they

27-01-2022 22:21:10 UTC

Also @TyGuy, I threw in some balance for all of the departments in order to help us reach that quorum - if people want their department boosted enough, they’ll vote FOR.

Clucky: he/him

27-01-2022 22:49:22 UTC

against as I’m not in R&D so I don’t want to support anything that helps R&D more than anyone else

Josh: he/him

27-01-2022 22:57:12 UTC


SupernovaStarbright: she/they

28-01-2022 18:31:02 UTC

@Clucky, it doesn’t really help, just does things in a different way. Options can be better than immediate Vested Value, but because our budget can decrease without any way for R&D to stop it, options can also be much worse. It’s a matter of perspective and the game surrounding it which is better.

Plus I would argue sales actually gets the biggest advantage from this since they would be able to sell infinitely and generate even more options than R&D. Just a few things to think about

Clucky: he/him

28-01-2022 20:35:40 UTC

you can’t sell infinitely you can only sell what is actually available to you.

Brendan: he/him

28-01-2022 22:43:24 UTC

imperial Really should have held off until Monday on that diamond box.

Zack: he/him

29-01-2022 07:31:21 UTC


lendunistus: he/him

29-01-2022 07:35:04 UTC


Clucky: he/him

29-01-2022 07:37:48 UTC

So lets take a look at some sample recent options to see what everyone would get from this:

Brendan in marketing made a 593.60 box. So he gets 8902.5… except by making a 593.60 box, the company budget fell to 58.40. So he only gets $876

There are two boxes to sell. So in theory, I have a 50% chance of getting another 6 options and a 25% chance of getting 6 more from a selling streak. This averages 6 options. But also there is an open order, so its less than that. On average,

Tyguy averages a 7.5 on his 4DICE20 so gets 7 options

Supernova averages 13.5 on her 4DICE20 so gets 13 options.

So even a low roll from Tyguy is better than what my expected average would be. And given the value of the box Brendan generated, a single option is probably going to be worth more than all Brendan would get from this

So yeah, Marketing gets absolutely hosed by this, and sales does considerably worth than R&D

Raven1207: he/him

29-01-2022 16:39:57 UTC


Zack: he/him

29-01-2022 20:48:22 UTC

against CoV per Clucky, all the BAMPAM is making my ears ring.

Zack: he/him

29-01-2022 20:48:50 UTC

And this needs quorum to pass anyway, which it doesn’t look like it’s going to get.