though we also need a better way to spend pies

actually “If performing some action would result in at least one Baker having more than 20 Pies, that action may not be performed.” might be taken to say that a baker with 9 empty pies, 8 apple pies, and 3 cream pies *cannot* choose not to do an upgrade on a given day…

so

Doesn’t “If a Baker does not perform this action during a day, they gain one Empty Pie at the end of that day unless this is prohibited by the “Pie Quota” rule.” take care of it? So when a Baker has 8,3,9,0,0 pies, he just can’t receive empty pies anymore, but he can still opt to not do upgrades since not doing upgrades does not increase his amount of pies.

Clucky, I don’t understand the reasoning behind your objection. In particular, Rule 2.2 says inputs are spent before outputs are gained, while the default automatic daily gain is not an action (and thus prevented by the “cannot have more” clause).

I agree with Clucky on the upgrade problem.  When someone with 8,3,9,0,0 decides to upgrade Empty to Apple, for instance, that is an action whose result is that the Baker will have 20 pies.

A better phrasing might be “If performing some action would result in at least one Baker increasing their Total pies to a value larger than 20, that action may not be performed.”

And incidentally, I don’t think we really need caps.  There should be enough risks in hoarding (Portal pies, maybe some new mechanics) that you wouldn’t want to anyway.  Plus, having 40 pies is kind of gleeful =D.

But the Baker can have 20 pies. “A Baker cannot have more than 20 Pies in total. If performing some action would result in at least one Baker having more than 20 Pies, that action may not be performed.”

Also, if some players hoard pies and others actively spend them, then new players might start at a disadvantage, as did scshunt.

Ah, good point, quirck (although I still vote against).

The new players issue is an auxiliary one: All new players will start at a disadvantage no matter what happens with this rule, unless we implement something that specifically gives them a head-start.

eh, I guess you’re probably right there. So I’ll switch back to Still dislike hard caps, seems weird that each flavor gets a soft cap but total is hard (though I get why)