Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Proposal: I cant see!

Open for 48 hours, passes 3-0. — Quirck

Adminned at 23 Aug 2012 13:15:01 UTC

Add a new subrule to “The Holy Circle” called “Time Out” and give it the following text

If a Baker’s Hits is ever greater than or equal to 15, the baker’s position becomes Out. If a Baker’s position is Out, they are not considered to be in the Holy Circle and cannot target or target as part of “Holy War” or “The Holy Dance”. If a Baker’s position is Out, they may, as a weekly action, remove five of their Hits and set their position as if they were a new player.

If every Baker but one’s position is Out, the Baker who is not Out has achieved victory.

In the rule “The Holy Circle” replace

Whenever a Baker unidles or joins the dynasty for the first time their Position becomes the smallest positive integer which is not currently a Position held by another Baker.

with

Whenever a Baker unidles or joins the dynasty for the first time their Position becomes the smallest positive integer which is not currently a Position held by another Baker, unless they are unidling and previously held the position of “Out”, in which case their position remains Out.

Dynasty isn’t dragging its feet or anything which is good, but its been going on for a few weeks so maybe time for some end-game goal? Designed to be hard enough to reach that unless there is a scam no one has used yet in pie generation or cream pie throwing, it still won’t get hit for a while.

posted by Clucky at 21 Aug 2012 20:09:00 UTC Comments (6)

Comments

quirck: he/him

21-08-2012 20:25:52 UTC

“cannot target or target as part of “Holy War” or “The Holy Dance”.”

“Two Bakers cannot have the same Position”

GreyWithAnE:

21-08-2012 21:22:53 UTC

Does having one victory condition mean we can’t have more at some point?

Also, this is a little unclear, unless there are ur-definitions in the core rules that I don’t know about:

“If a Baker’s position is Out, they may, as a weekly action, remove five of their Hits and set their position as if they were a new player.”

Can this action be taken immediately after going Out, or do they have to wait a week?  And if the Baker goes back In, does that weekly clock reset?  The way it’s phrased, it seems like they should be able to come back In immediately, and then the clock resets…at which point the weekly clock is unnecessary.

And finally, folks who are Out are intended to be allowed to gain pies, upgrade, and move Locations, yes?

quirck: he/him

21-08-2012 21:29:04 UTC

We can have as many victory conditions as we like.

I think it’s not reset: “If a Baker is Out” is a condition for being able to perform a weekly action. “If a game action is a Weekly Action, each Baker able to perform it may take that action once each week, but not more than once every twenty-four hours.” So when a Baker first goes Out, he may immediately remove five Hits.

GreyWithAnE:

21-08-2012 21:43:18 UTC

Ah.  Then in that case,  for

Clucky: he/him

21-08-2012 21:48:28 UTC

quirck’s complaints are valid and should be fixed.

The goal with being “Out” isn’t so you can’t do anything, its just you’re out of the pie fight, so you need to step back, get more pies, build up defenses etc… sure you can always dive right back in but a) you might not want to b) you can get everyone else out and win before they have a chance to get online and get back in.

Cpt_Koen:

22-08-2012 11:53:41 UTC

So much for being hit to be just a thing :p
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GreyWithAnE: “winning condition” has never been defined in the ruleset.
Core rules merely state “when someone believes they have achieved victory, then may declare victory and people may vote on the declaraction of victory to express their agreement or disagreement”.
Now if you have a dynastic rule reading “when everyone but you is out, you achieve victory” and another one “if you have 8 Dutch Apple Pies, then you achieve victory”, then you effectively have more than one way of winning.