Tuesday, June 11, 2013

Proposal: In Nomos, Veritas

Quorums 7-3. — Quirck

Adminned at 11 Jun 2013 09:40:58 UTC

Add a new dynastic rule called “Truth” and give it the following text

There is a wiki page called “Truths” which consists of an ordered list of statements, all of which are True.

If there is a rule called “Definitions” remove it and add the following to the list of truths

AND is a bivalent Connective. [x AND y] is True if both x and y are true

IMPLIES is a bivalent Connective. [x IMPLIES y] is True unless [x is True] AND [y is False].

NOT is a monovalent Connective. [x is True] IMPLIES [[NOT x] is False]. [x is False] IMPLIES [[NOT x] is True].

Ideally I think it would be cool if most of this dynasty was set around editing the Truths page and keeping the actual ruleset very light

Comments

Skju:

11-06-2013 04:43:00 UTC

for This is actually closer to my vision, but I wasn’t sure how to start. I would want to split this into Axioms and (Proven) Theorems, as well as Definitions for Connectives.

Fool:

11-06-2013 04:52:46 UTC

Same as the other proposal, bivalence again! Not all statements need to be true or false.

kikar:

11-06-2013 05:12:44 UTC

for

Fool:

11-06-2013 05:13:52 UTC

against

Skju:

11-06-2013 05:29:34 UTC

@Fool: no, but it’s a good place to start.

redtara: they/them

11-06-2013 05:49:18 UTC

imperial

Larrytheturtle:

11-06-2013 05:55:27 UTC

for

quirck: he/him

11-06-2013 06:01:19 UTC

imperial

Fool:

11-06-2013 06:23:38 UTC

Yes, it’s something. As a general comment then, rather than defining things by saying such-and-such is _true_ under these circumstances, we might just leave them without official “semantic” definition and say how we can _prove_ such-and-such from previously proven things (or axioms).

RaichuKFM: she/her

11-06-2013 06:36:21 UTC

for

Cpt_Koen:

11-06-2013 13:58:28 UTC

I’m all in favour but I’d like to point out that your Proposal doesn’t create and most importantly doesn’t blank the wiki page; so anyone could create a page called “Truths” and make any statement true (namely “XXX has won this dynasty”).

Skju:

11-06-2013 14:26:10 UTC

Fool, I’m not sure I understand what you mean. Could you elaborate?

Cpt_Koen, I think we need a core rule stating that when a Proposal introduces a wiki page, it is created and blanked unless stated otherwise.

scshunt:

11-06-2013 14:46:03 UTC

against per Koen.

Skju:

11-06-2013 15:32:03 UTC

Can we accept it as an obvious mistake?

Sphinx:

11-06-2013 15:44:24 UTC

against per Koen

Clucky: he/him

11-06-2013 15:51:39 UTC

thats weird. I totally remember saying to clear it. Probably revised it and accidentally removed that part.