Friday, March 28, 2025

Proposal: Instead of Edits

Enacted 8-0 with 3 resolved DEFs. -Zack

Adminned at 29 Mar 2025 02:04:25 UTC

Add a new dynastic rule, “Wording Fixes”:

This dynasty, the voting icons https://blognomic.com/images/vote/against.gif (the “cross” AGAINST icon) and https://blognomic.com/images/vote/arrow.gif (the “arrow” AGAINST icon) are both considered to be AGAINST voting icons. Nomicers are encouraged to use a cross AGAINST icon when voting against a proposal due to disagreement with the general idea behind the proposal; and to use an arrow AGAINST icon when voting against a proposal for which they agree with the general idea behind the proposal, but disagree with the details or with the exact wording.

If a proposal’s author withdraws it using an arrow AGAINST icon, and there were at least as many arrow AGAINST icons as cross AGAINST icons among the other (non-author) Nomicers’ Votes on that proposal at the time, then the proposal ceases to count against that author’s limit of 2 pending proposals and can be failed by any Admin, even if it is not the oldest pending proposal. The author should submit a corrected version. (If a proposal’s author is planning to withdraw a proposal, but not to submit a corrected version, they should withdraw it using a cross rather than arrow AGAINST icon.) Proposal authors are encouraged to wait at least 8 hours before withdrawing them and submitting a corrected version, in case more mistakes that need correction are discovered (although this is not a requirement).

If there is a rule “Golden Rule”, append the following sentence to the end of its only paragraph: “This Equity gain does not occur for proposals that were withdrawn with an arrow AGAINST icon (this does not prevent an Equity loss occurring).”

An edit window alternative I found lying around on my hard drive, and adapted to this dynasty – players can vote AGAINST proposals either on the principle or on the wording, and if the principle is popular but there are wording issues, the proposal can have its slot refunded and be resubmitted.

This might be a good Building Block if it works well, but I think it’s probably better to try it as a dynastic rule first.

Comments

ais523:

28-03-2025 12:10:05 UTC

And to give credit for this idea: this is a slightly adapted version of a mechanic from PerlNomic (a now-long-dead nomic where proposals were particularly difficult to write correctly as they were being written in computer code rather than in English). I don’t know (and/or can’t remember, if I once knew) who originally came up with it, but think it was in the PerlNomic core rules when I first started playing it.

SingularByte: he/him

28-03-2025 12:24:42 UTC

imperial  I think I’d prefer a more normal edit window, but this is at least viable.

Josh: Imperator he/they

28-03-2025 12:54:01 UTC

I think it’s a little clumsily written (it might have been better to keep AGAINST as AGAINST and have the other icon have a different name - REVISE, say - and I generally dislike having suggestions in the ruleset) but it’s an interesting response to the provocation.  for

JonathanDark: he/him

28-03-2025 14:40:45 UTC

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And I commented out the “edit window” yellow warning, since the “official” edit window is off for now.

Darknight: he/him

28-03-2025 14:49:23 UTC

for I agree with Josh about giving the arrow icon a different name

Raven1207: he/they

28-03-2025 14:53:57 UTC

imperial

Iffy on this

DoomedIdeas: he/him

28-03-2025 15:12:59 UTC

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Kevan: he/him

28-03-2025 21:16:01 UTC

imperial Unfortunate for breaking (or requiring some reworking of) the vote counter scripts.

Zack: he/him

28-03-2025 21:54:40 UTC

Don’t worry Kevan, way ahead of you!