Monday, July 22, 2013

Proposal: Let’s Cramp Styles

Self-killed, failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 24 Jul 2013 03:24:49 UTC

Enact a new rule entitled “o_O”:

Create a new GNDT column entitled “Clothing,” defaulting to “Covered”

A Player may, as a daily action, create a votable Story Post entitled “Exposing X” where X is the name of another Player. That post should contain the proposed name of X’s Style. X’s Clothing shall then be changed to “Half-Naked” and X may only declare or achieve victory on the condition that they prove that their Style is not the Style guessed, either in their Declaration of Victory or in a comment on the Story Post “Exposing X”. If legitimate proof is provided, X is no longer Half-Naked and becomes Covered. If the guessed Style is indeed X’s Style, then X may not under any circumstances change their Style and shall be Exposed. Any Exposed player is unable to declare or achieve victory.

Proof shall take the following form: The Player doing the prooving shall state their nonce, and perform the hash with the proposed Style and their declared nonce to show that it does not match with their Style hash. The player may then change their nonce and put the corresponding new hash into the GNDT, with the comment “Nonce changed following Proof.”

We’ve all been operating on the assumption that having one’s Style guessed is bad. Let’s make it very bad.
I also realize this relies on some degree of honesty with the nonces. I cannot see it working any other way, so play nice everyone.

Comments

Kevan: HE/HIM

07-22-2013 15:39:05 UTC

for Nice proof mechanism.

RaichuKFM: SHE/HER

07-22-2013 15:44:36 UTC

for

Josh: POINDEXTER HE/HIM

07-22-2013 17:04:21 UTC

for

Ienpw III:

07-22-2013 18:33:28 UTC

There’s got to be some way we can make dishonesty not work. Am I being stupid or could we just have people hash their nonces or something?

Ienpw III:

07-22-2013 18:34:00 UTC

Oops, for

Kevan: HE/HIM

07-22-2013 18:39:43 UTC

If you counter someone’s accusation that your Style is “DNA” by claiming that your nonce is “blahblah” and a hash of “DNAblahblah” does not match your GNDT Style, you can prove that your hash was “blahblah” by - as part of your DoV, or whenever - showing that your then-Style hashes to your then-hash, when appended with “blahblah”.

Arlnoff:

07-22-2013 18:45:49 UTC

Excellent idea, Kevan.

Kevan: HE/HIM

07-22-2013 19:02:45 UTC

I assumed that was what your idea already was, here.

Arlnoff:

07-22-2013 19:04:31 UTC

No, I hadn’t yet thought of an idea to enforce honesty. I’m now codifying your idea into a proposal, unless you would prefer to do it.

Clucky: HE/HIM

07-22-2013 21:59:50 UTC

against

” X may only declare or achieve victory on the condition that they prove that their Style is not the Style guessed, either in their Declaration of Victory or in a comment on the Story Post “Exposing X”.”

So X may declare victory on the condition that they prove their Style is not the Style guessed. So you guess wrong and they win? I don’t the the ‘only’ is enough to convey the proper meaning (You can only do this if the following holds *and* you are allowed to do it by some other means).

I like where this dynasty is going, so would rather not have it disintegrate due to a dumb loophole so early =)

Arlnoff:

07-22-2013 22:12:20 UTC

against Self-kill. I agree with Clucky that the interpretation is ambiguous, and might be exploited. After this gets adminned I will submit the revised version that includes Kevan’s idea for enforcing honesty.

Clucky: HE/HIM

07-22-2013 22:33:11 UTC

you have two proposal slots…

Skju:

07-22-2013 22:44:29 UTC

against Whoops