First off, this would break the enactment of. https://blognomic.com/archive/double_decker

The proper thing to do would be to reset three of my coins, then move you kevan and spyder to Arveg lane. I’ll hold off on my against vote until you can at least fix that part of it.

But to the crux of an issue, the name and the number of a stop is not the same thing as a stop. Sure, you can correlate the two, but “Flophouse-Five” and “5” is not the same thing as “The stop Flophouse-Five”

@Clucky That is an argument that would enrage you if you weren’t making it.

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I would see “If a player is holding a Giant Sword” as
“direct and unambiguous”

https://blognomic.com/archive/citrus_iteration_appendix#comments

Those really aren’t the same thing. It would ultimately come down to how holding a weapon is defined.

In this case, we have a clear type definition of what a location is, and now are trying to cast the old definition to a new one. And I don’t think we get that cast for free.

I disagree; referring to a thing by name has never been a problem before and shouldn’t become a problem now. All this would do is increase the amount of words we have to stick into the ruleset for every damn thing from now on, and as a proponent of natural language rules I’m against that.

there is a difference between referring to a thing as a name, and how you actually store and track a value

This was a tough call, but I’m going to have to go with the natural language interpretation over the strict casting rules some programming languages would have.

Also, though I am sad that my move to 5 was foiled by Clucky doing so in the few minutes prior, making it a full stop, I accept it is fair that I get ‘decked’ to 32 as a result.

@Tyguy when did you try to move to five? If you it before the proposal was enacted, moving to 5 was still legal because capacity was broken due to it only counting people whose name was a location.

I really feel like this ruling is not consistent with how stuff has worked in the past. I know I’ve always had to be careful to word proposals that redefined the type of an object in order to ensure everything gets mapped properly. But I also don’t really have the energy to go crawl though old games when people probably wouldn’t even care.

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Oh, I see now what you meant when you said the location limits were broken. Yes, the timestamps say XX:07 was my movement time, and XX:08 was the admin time for the Chaos Project fix. So, I now have personal grounds for objecting to this CfJ.

I still say needing to map things properly during format changes is dumb, though I don’t know but that Josh/Kevan/Brendan would be pedantic if it worked out in their favor.

(Well, actually, I’m still confused. We’re talking about “If there are X Trippers whose Location is the name of a given Stop”, right?)

yeah. but there were 0 trippers whose location was Flophouse-Five. So your move was legal. So yeah you should have 2 more coins

@Ty voting against this doesn’t make much sense, when your own fix is dependent on this passing. Would you change your vote back of Stutter looked like it was passing?

That depends on how earnest I believed the votes were. I don’t wish to see efforts wasted on this CfJ, if that’s the case, but I figure I’m allowed to cover my bases.

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I still very much disagree with this ruling but as we have a few players near idling out that aren’t gonna vote on this that is preventing us from getting a quorum, and all the other people actively playing seem to be in favor I suppose its best to just help the game along