Monday, October 22, 2018

Proposal: Loyalty and Sympathy

Fewer than a quorum not voting against. Failed 1-3 by Kevan.

Adminned at 24 Oct 2018 08:24:46 UTC

Add to the rule “Loyalties”:

Each pair of loyalties are either compatible or opposed. Peace and War are opposed. Police and Government are opposed. All other loyalty pairs are compatible.

An Activists Preference is a loyalty compatible with their original loyalty.

An Activists Sympathy is a string tracked in the GNDT, defaulting to nothing. At any time an Activist with a blank Sympathy may set their Sympathy to any string. For the purposes of all rules other than this one, an Activist’s Sympathy string is considered to be blank.

An Activist may prove their Preference by demonstrating that their Sympathy is the Hash of a grammatical English sentence of no more than 20 words which includes the name of a single Loyalty and no others. (The Hash of a sentence is the MD5 hash generated for it at [].)

if it exists, change:

An Activist with a blank Identity may not take dynastic actions other than the ones in this rule.


An Activist with a blank Identity or Sympathy may not take dynastic actions other than the ones in this rule.



This is to add nuance to the loyalties, and to make two “default” alignments instead of just one (Rebel-war and Rebel-peace)


Kevan: HE/HIM

10-23-2018 08:15:36 UTC

If by “default” alignments you mean ostensibly non-traitor roles, there are already two intended to work like that - the Peace and Violence loyalties, which are meeant to represent how the activists want to achieve their ends.

Assuming “War” to be a typo for “Violence” here, this proposal creates six non-traitor Preferences (“Peace-Peace”, “Peace-Police”, “Peace-Government”, “Violence-Violence”, “Violence-Police”, “Violence-Government”), which seems like too many.



10-23-2018 16:48:28 UTC


derrick: HE/HIM

10-23-2018 17:01:51 UTC

Ok, I must have been tired when I wrote this. I mentally replaced one of Police or Government with “Rebel”. Police and Government aren’t opposed in quite the same way. Which means that “Rebel” isn’t the default loyalty.

The order matters: you could be loyal to police and sympathetic to the peace, or loyal to peace and sympathetic to police, and they would be two different configurations.

I also meant the rule to exclude having the same loyalty and sympathy. I’m not sure if it did or not.

Brendan: HE/HIM

10-23-2018 17:31:10 UTC