Monday, January 15, 2007

Proposal: Lying and Theft

Timed out. Fails 1-4.—Clucky

Adminned at 17 Jan 2007 12:37:52 UTC

Add a subrule to rule 2.5 stating:

An Olympian who received a silver or bronze medal for an event may attempt to get the gold or silver medal, respectively, for that event:

E may attempt to talk the judges into thinking that e was the real winner of the medal. To do so e makes a wit roll. If the outcome is greater than 9(X - 1) (where X is the average wit of all Olympians), e successfully talks the judge into giving em the higher medal (gold if e won silver, silver if e won bronze).

E may instead attempt a slight of hand, switching the medals without the other Olympian seeing or noticing. The Olympian trying to get the higher medal makes a dexterity roll, and the Olympian e is trying to steal from makes a dexterity and wit roll. If the thieving Olympian’s roll is greater than the victim’s, e steals the medal and replaces it with eir own.

Each of these attempts cost 3 TP to make, and must be made within 24 hours of having eir medal awarded. Only the Olympians who were originally awarded the silver or bronze medal may try to do this, and may only try it once. E must pick which method to try, and may not try the other if it fails. Eir target may only be the holder of the medal that is just higher than eir own (Gold if e won silver, silver if e won bronze). If E attempts to take the medal from someone not on the Team, e may only attempt the first method. If eir attempt fails, the Olympian forfeits eir medal to eir prospective victim, loses 5 popularity points, and, if eir target was on the Team, e may not participate in an event for a week.

In the case that the winner of the silver method successfully gains the gold medal, and the winner of the bronze medal has not yet attempted to take a medal for that event, eir target, should e choose to attempt it, would be the original winner of the gold medal (who now has the silver medal).

If the attempt is successful, e switches medals with eir target for that event. TP is awarded for the event based on the new winners of the medals, and any TP that was already awarded for the event is taken away.

Comments

spikebrennan:

15-01-2007 17:23:59 UTC

against for now.  There are a number of problems.  The switching-medals concept, in particular, is problematic for a number of reasons.  What’s with the 24 hours limit?  It is not really clear when the clock starts and stops; and does the 24 hours limit apply only to the person attempting to swipe a medal, or also to the legitimate medal holder?  Also, this is just a complicated rule.

Hix:

15-01-2007 18:20:04 UTC

against

ChinDoGu:

16-01-2007 03:50:37 UTC

against Plus, no penalty for failure.

Doremi:

16-01-2007 04:03:42 UTC

“If eir attempt fails, the Olympian forfeits eir medal to eir prospective victim, loses 5 popularity points, and, if eir target was on the Team, e may not participate in an event for a week.”

Thats the pentalty.

As far as the time limit, “Each of these attempts cost 3 TP to make, and must be made within 24 hours of having eir medal awarded.” It starts as soon as the medal is awarded. The time limit affects the one trying to make an attempt. Why would it affect anyone else? The holder just sits their and hopes no one tries anything.

ChinDoGu:

16-01-2007 05:17:32 UTC

Quite Right, Sorry, am reading quickly since i’m at work…

Also average wit, surely any attempt to outwit needs to exceed the max not the average…

Doremi:

16-01-2007 16:09:49 UTC

It needs to exceed 9x the average wit. Can we all vote on the actual proposal, and not our misreading of it?

Doremi:

16-01-2007 16:18:32 UTC

If the average wit is 5, and you have a wit of 6, your 6DICE10: needs to exceed 36.

JoshuaGross:

16-01-2007 17:47:13 UTC

Too complicated.  against

ChinDoGu:

16-01-2007 21:38:10 UTC

My point was simply that the scale should be to the max whits excluding yourself, not the average.  Average is much easier to game.  I wasnt talking about the actual numbers just the base number you were deriving them from.