Is a Manifesto Proposal a “normal” Proposal per Rule 1.3? In both “ways” there are Problems, for example:

Why does the Manifesto need to be added (or changed) by a Party member and not by the enacting Admin?

What happens to Proposals which do not reach this quorum?

Per Keba, “Proposal” is a very dangerous word to be using here, particularly when such a Proposal can be “adopted” immediately with only one vote.

@Keba - no, they aren’t normal proposals. They can’t be unless explicitly stated, I think. Thus they don’t really “enact” or “fail” - they just have an effect that any player can be responsible for.

And manifesto proposals are designed so that they can’t “fail” they just persist and stay open until the end of what is likely to be a very short dynasty. It does mean that an idea whose time has not yet come can languish only to pop up at the last minute, but I’m less worried about that than I am about the difficulties of setting up a separate queue for a class of proposals that only a small minority can vote against.

@Kevan - not sure that I agree entirely. “Proposal” isn’t a defined keyword, and the prop makes it somewhat clear that a Manifesto Proposal is a discrete entity.

[Josh] Actually it’s really the word “adopted” that’s the problem. Even if Manifesto Proposals were called Distimmed Doshes, I could make a Proposal that was also a Distimmed Dosh (a Dosh just seems to be a thing I “post”) and then invoke a rule which would legally “adopt” that Dosh - legally “adopting” the thing I just posted. It’s unclear whether “adopt” is a (“supersedes the normal English usage of the word”) keyword here.

I think you’re right, but I’m worried (particularly after the last DoV) that a quorum of players would disagree if someone made a DoV off the back of this. We should definitely take a long hard look at the currently unsatisfactory definition of “keyword” in the glossary.

[Josh] I assume “Any Voter affiliated to that Party may vote on the Manifesto Proposal. As soon as a Manifesto Proposal has gained the support of at least quorum of its Party’s affiliated Voters” is very unclear then. How do you vote? Is “Yeah, like this!” a vote or need the Party members use Voting Icons?

And, as Kevan stated, “Any Voter may post a Manifesto Proposal” is not clear either. Mabye something like “Any Voter may post a Story Post (known as a Manifesto Proposal)”

@ Kevan.

for simplicity, and per Keba.