Wednesday, May 03, 2017

Call for Judgment: Mass illegalities

Timed out 0-4. Failed by card.

Adminned at 05 May 2017 15:51:31 UTC

“Proposal: Going Once” was enacted at 25 Apr 2017 23:44:51 UTC. That proposal contained:

To create an Auction, a Manager, henceforth referred to as the Auctioneer, creates a story post containing the identity of the Blogger being auctioned and the Duration of the auction.

Therefore, several “auctions” have unfortunately been performed in improper form because their story post didn’t contain the duration, and are therefore not auctions by definition. These will be referred to as Pseudoauctions. This CfJ, once enacted, will make recognized that the Pseudoauctions weren’t Auctions.

The following pseudoauctions have had perceived in-game consequences (the pending pseudoauctions can be ignored as they’re simply bogus posts, although they should be removed as well to prevent further confusion). Remove their Blogger from the Roster, as they formally actually don’t exist. The winners of the pseudoactions may update the GNDT to reflect that they had never actually lost cash in the first place (or anyone else, really, this is just a reminder that you can/should update the GNDT to reflect the gamestate as it should be).

Story Post: Tenth Player Auction: Julian Bauer
Story Post: Eleventh Player Auction: Daniel Diaz
Story Post: Twelfth Player Auction: Enzo Laroux
Story Post: Thirteenth Player Auction: Dieter Dreizehn
Story Post: Fourteenth Player Auction, Second Attempt: Miĉjo Citronujo
Story Post: Fifteenth Player Auction: Marinja Hakanta
Story Post: Sixteenth Player Auction: Mael Blanc
Story Post: Seventeenth Player Auction: Dmitry Matveyevich
Story Post: Eighteenth Player Auction: Evan Cohen

The Manager known as “Publius Scribonius Scholasticus” has attempted to make a Bloggsball Match involving himself. Given that it would involve Miĉjo Citronujo, which was acquired from a pseudoauction, such games cannot take place, because Citronujo doesn’t actually exist in the game, and are therefore simply bogus posts.

The Manger known as “card” has attempted to make a Bloggsball Match against Cuddlebeam (hi lol). Given that it would involve Daniel Diaz, which was acquired from a pseudoauction, such game cannot take place, because Diaz doesn’t actually exist in the game, and are therefore simply bogus posts.

Once this CfJ has been enacted, it will be recognized that such games with players acquired from pseudoauctions haven’t happened formally.

The GNDT and gamestate should be updated appropriately.

Trades would’ve made this even more messy, but I believe that there have been no trades so far (that first one involving PSS was reverted iirc).

Comments

pokes:

03-05-2017 10:10:53 UTC

Why would you prefer undoing the actions to retroactively legalizing the Pseudoauctions?

Madrid:

03-05-2017 10:17:10 UTC

Because this is more exact and all of the auctions/games can be redone properly again anyway.

Madrid:

03-05-2017 10:21:49 UTC

Also, I kind of realized this (then forgot!!!) and then remembered again lol, to do a “aha, Nomic!” just like Kevan did in mideg’s first dynasty. https://wiki.blognomic.com/index.php?title=The_First_Dynasty_of_Mideg

“The roll fell in Kevan’s favour, partly due to his tactically waiting until the sudden death rule had enacted before questioning an illegal (score-affecting) move made by Brendan shortly earlier.”

Madrid:

03-05-2017 10:27:22 UTC

So yeah. Its:

1) Entirely legitimate, those actions were indeed illegal.
2) It benefits me to point it out, because I’m behind in the auction game, and this allows me to gain advantage without begging for freebies which I really dislike. This is a legitimate “these are consequences of the rules as written”.

pokes:

03-05-2017 10:31:22 UTC

A key difference with that action includes “shortly earlier”. By now you could argue that the auctions, although technically illegal, weren’t challenged at the time and have since become a “consensus” gamestate.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: he/they

03-05-2017 10:31:28 UTC

The problem I see here is that you are punishing players for an error made by the Commissioner. It isn’t our fault that this didn’t occur, also I see it as problematic that you didn’t point this out when you first saw it. Instead, I propose, we just make them legal auctions or at least delete the players and return the money, but not undo GNDT effects from games or such because that is just too complicated of a mess to unravel. Maybe if you enumerated the ways in which the GNDT must be changed, it would be better.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: he/they

03-05-2017 10:32:11 UTC

against

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: he/they

03-05-2017 10:34:23 UTC

Also, if this is done, I believe all of the auctions should be reversed as people may have bid differently knowing these auctions were invalid.

Madrid:

03-05-2017 10:48:48 UTC

“have since become a “consensus” gamestate.”

This is (part) of a huge philosophical point which I’ve brought up at that other post because of what “legality” actually is and the consequence of past and-found-to-be-wrong interpretations. Pretty hard to actually debate this here, because it involves such a larger question.

“or at least delete the players and return the money,”

Yes, this is a consequence of what would happen. Maybe I should make it explicit, really.

Oh well. I won’t put my hand in the fire longer lol against, the list of links is there if anyone else wants to use it for a better CfJ.

“also I see it as problematic that you didn’t point this out when you first saw it”

It would be total BS to have to publicly point scam opportunities you want to exploit when you first see them lol. Who would want this.

Madrid:

03-05-2017 10:50:28 UTC

card:

03-05-2017 13:57:10 UTC

against You want to undo 10 days worth of auctions?

Madrid:

03-05-2017 14:07:53 UTC

This has been S/K’d btw

Madrid:

03-05-2017 14:09:08 UTC

nvm CfJs can’t be S/K’d lol, sorry. Oh well.

pokes:

04-05-2017 10:23:16 UTC

against