Thursday, July 11, 2019

Proposal: Mustlessness

Timed out 4 votes to 1. Enacted by Kevan.

Adminned at 13 Jul 2019 17:24:35 UTC

In “Duel”, replace “The duelists must submit a plan by sending a private message” with “Each duelist may submit a plan by sending a private message”.

Replace “If 48 hours have passed since the start of the duel and only one of the duelists has submitted a valid plan, that duelist is the Triumphant. If 48 hours have passed and neither duelist submitted a valid plan, a Triumphant is decided by way of a random DICE2 roll in the GNDT. ” with:-

If 48 hours have passed since the start of the duel and only one of the duelists has submitted a valid plan, the Judge may declare that duelist to be the Triumphant. If 48 hours have passed and neither duelist submitted a valid plan, the Judge may randomly select one of those duelists as the Triumphant.

Replace “The judge must then post a comment on the duel’s blog entry detailing the creature slots, Strengths, wins, and which duelist was the Triumphant.” with:-

The judge may then post a comment on the duel’s blog entry detailing the creature slots, Strengths, wins, and which duelist was the Triumphant.

Rewording duels to avoid the aggressive “musts” (as demonstrated with this recent duel, what happens if the Judge decides not to judge? What if they go idle?) and automatic effects (assigning a Triumphant automatically after 48 hours even if nobody - not even the Judge - knows who it is).

Comments

derrick:

07-11-2019 13:00:18 UTC

I’d like to see an enforcement mechanism to keep judges from filibustering rules.

Kevan:

07-11-2019 13:09:27 UTC

I considered it, but there’s no single obvious answer, and I didn’t want to risk splitting the vote on a basic fix proposal.

Cuddlebeam:

07-11-2019 14:02:28 UTC

for

TyGuy6:

07-11-2019 17:12:56 UTC

Ok, this sounds all well and good, but the change of wording almost looks like it also gives jusges the authority to decide the Triumphant, etc. when they post the comment!

Kevan:

07-11-2019 17:24:53 UTC

I don’t think I’m changing anything like that, am I? I’ve taken out the GNDT in “randomly select”, but only because the glossary specifies that random things use the GNDT by default.

TyGuy6:

07-11-2019 18:56:20 UTC

“The judge may then post a comment on the duel’s blog entry detailing the creature slots, Strengths, wins, and which duelist was the Triumphant.”

Reads like giving them a new ability, and it’s that they may detail the duel in its entirety. (Otherwise, being able to post a comment does nothing new.)

Ienpw III:

07-11-2019 20:57:36 UTC

I’m leaning towards that interpretation as well (and I share derrick’s concern).

Kevan:

07-11-2019 21:06:40 UTC

[TyGuy6] How do you see that as being different from the existing “must” wording, in terms of granting abilities to the Judge?

TyGuy6:

07-11-2019 21:38:32 UTC

Just in that it reads as, “you are now able to”, and Must reads as, “you are not able to not” do the thing. Anyway, I like the current wording, and think that Cuddlebeam should stop disobeying it, so we don’t all lose our perfectly good trust-based judgment systems.

TyGuy6:

07-11-2019 23:57:06 UTC

against

Farsight:

07-12-2019 10:24:40 UTC

imperial

derrick:

07-12-2019 14:27:32 UTC

for

Kevan:

07-12-2019 14:28:03 UTC

So must reads “you are not able to not” without implying that you’re able to? I don’t follow that. Wouldn’t that mean that the action couldn’t be taken, under the current ruleset?