Sunday, June 17, 2012

Proposal: My view on fair play

Fails 5-8. Ienpw III

Adminned at 19 Jun 2012 19:32:56 UTC

Add the following two bullet points to the list in ‘Fair Play’:

* A Time Buddha should not exploit a loophole in the Core Rules and/or Appendix in such a way as to disrupt the dynastic gameplay, nor immediately after the start of a new dynasty before the dynastic gameplay has had the opportunity to be established. Examples of when such a scam might be acceptable are when the dynasty has devolved into chaos and there are proposals pending to reset it and/or begin a new dynasty, or when the dynastic gameplay has slowed to a halt and there is no player or group of players with a noticeable lead towards achieving victory.

* An Admin should not manipulate the settings of the blog solely to gain an in-game advantage.

The former one is what I believe the fair play rule for core rules scams should be. The latter one is because I think that the admins should not manipulate blog settings; in this case, I could have made one of my old DoVs commentable in order to allow others to vote on it. I decided that that would be considered particularly bad form and would likely have gotten me lynched.

If you propose an alternate suggestion, please include the second guideline.

Comments

omd:

17-06-2012 23:09:28 UTC

against

My view is that core rules scams are fine because they should be rare because the core rules aren’t very big.

Klisz:

17-06-2012 23:10:22 UTC

against per omd

Cpt_Koen:

17-06-2012 23:37:54 UTC

against per omd. I don’t know if they are very big or not, but they’re not reset every dynasty, which means performing a scam is a good way to fix a loophole permanently.

ais523:

18-06-2012 02:47:37 UTC

against Disallows scamming someone else’s AA if it’s done incorrectly, and that was hilarious. (Although I still think it was very bad manners not to record it as starting a new dynasty, and as far as I can tell, the only person who wanted it not to was Josh, who went around telling everyone he had consensus on the matter until they believed him.)

Bucky:

18-06-2012 03:44:38 UTC

against

scshunt:

18-06-2012 04:16:06 UTC

ais523: I think you’re right that it should be allowed, but I’m not sure this would make it illegal (it is, after all, a guideline). For those voting against, is the general view that core rules scams need /less/ restriction? If so, I’ll self-kill this once it’s the oldest pending so as to avoid clogging the queue. If someone else

scshunt:

18-06-2012 04:22:35 UTC

less restriction than was proposed, I mean.

Josh: Observer he/they

18-06-2012 06:34:21 UTC

against

Darknight: he/him

18-06-2012 07:04:05 UTC

against

Kevan: he/him

18-06-2012 11:04:03 UTC

for But maybe this needs a straw poll first. If there’s a consensus that pulling a core ruleset scam mid-dynasty (or in response to someone else’s DoV) is unsporting and would nearly always result in a majority overturning it, we should write that down. If there’s a consensus that core scams are fine at any time, then I am a little surprised and will now start playing the game differently.

BlogNomic feels more interesting as a series of self-contained games of Nomic - someone else scamming a dynastic rule you unwittingly helped to vote through is great, and what Nomic is all about; someone activating an obscure core scam they put in place a year ago during a particularly noisy dynasty that wasn’t paying attention, less so.

moonroof:

18-06-2012 17:39:14 UTC

imperial

quirck: he/him

19-06-2012 14:30:09 UTC

against

BobTHJ:

19-06-2012 21:37:45 UTC

imperial

redtara: they/them

19-06-2012 21:42:59 UTC

for per Kevan.

Henri:

20-06-2012 02:27:46 UTC

against per Cpt_Koen. We should let mistakes happen and those mistakes will fix themselves. Plus, we should encourage creativity, so if someone finds a loophole, we should learn from it!