Monday, January 10, 2022

Proposal: One last swing at this

Reached quorum, 5-2. Enacted by TyGuy6.

Adminned at 11 Jan 2022 20:03:53 UTC

Add a new subrule to the rule Gamestate Tracking, called Cross-Nomic Relationships, with the following text:

The player (or idle player) named TyGuy6 is BlogNomic’s PodNomic Correspondent. Any player may ask the GPS to become BlogNomic’s PodNomic Correspondent; if they wish, the GPS then may, at their own discretion, change the name of the player in the first sentence of this bullet point to be that of the requestor.

Add the following as a final bullet point to the Appendix rule Names:

* When changing their name or joining the game for the first time, a Tripper’s (or prospective Tripper’s) new name must be between 4 and 30 characters in length, and may only include the 26 letters of the Latin alphabet, numbers, underscores, hyphens, full stops and apostrophes.

If any Tripper’s EVC on this proposal contains the phrase ‘Pick me’, or if any Idle Tripper has made a comment to this proposal with the phrase ‘Pick me’, then change the name TyGuy6 in the rule Cross-Nomic Relationships to be the name of that Tripper or idle Tripper, randomly selecting from all such Trippers if there are multiple. The Tripper or idle Tripper by the name of “dead. The Player named Clucky has achieved Victory” is ignored for the purposes of this paragraph.


Kevan: he/him

10-01-2022 12:15:09 UTC

I don’t think this needs the mechanism to swap names in, particularly when the old “dead. The Player named Clucky has achieved Victory” player-name text injection scam was never (I believe?) actually patched.

Josh: Announcer he/him

10-01-2022 12:39:59 UTC

On every version of this, Clucky has raised the issue that it’s not interesting or relevant to non-PN players, and he’s right. Further, this is in the appendix, so any change would have to pass with quorum. Leaving it without a change mechanism, I’m convinced, will make it effectively unchangeable, not to mention annoying for non PN players. It’s protected by fair play and by emperor sign off; sure, it’s not bullet proof, but I don’t think it’s worth having in the ruleset without some sort of sub-quorate change mechanism.

Kevan: he/him

10-01-2022 13:02:30 UTC

I think players who didn’t care either way about the PodNomic Correspondent would shrug through a proposal to change the role from one person to another, knowing that doing so definitely wouldn’t break anything.

Emperor signoff won’t save us the next time we have a Malign Emperor dynasty and have forgotten all about this rule.

Fair Play and Emperor signoff also don’t apply to the “pick me” assignment at the end of this proposal, which an enacting admin could exploit single-handedly, either by making an exploit-name if there are no volunteers, or a handful of them if there are. (In fact, couldn’t our old friend “dead. The Player named Clucky has achieved Victory” throw their hat in, here?)

Josh: Announcer he/him

10-01-2022 13:18:37 UTC

Fair play absolutely protects us from all of these cases; what you’re describing is an appendix scam, and those are prohibited, both for voters on this proposal and for malign Emperors.

We could remove spaces from the legal name characters; that would fix the proximate issue.

Re: players who don’t follow podnomic, see Clucky’s voting history on this exact matter.

I’m prepared to change the mechanism for changing the identity of the correspondent but I’ll just withdraw the proposal rather than remove it and leave it to proposals only, I’m afraid.

Kevan: he/him

10-01-2022 13:32:04 UTC

It’s in a grey area, but to me the “pick me” assignment would be a proposal scam rather than an appendix scam, if scammed. It’s the final paragraph of a proposal that does the surprising thing, not the pedestrian “X is Y” statement in the appendix.

A Malign Emperor injecting stuff later on would only be against Fair Play if they used it to make someone win. They could still use it to stop someone winning, or to do general Emperor-for-life supervillain stuff.

Josh: Announcer he/him

10-01-2022 13:43:22 UTC

I’ve taken names out of the permitted characters for names; that should knock out most name-text-injection scams.

Josh: Announcer he/him

10-01-2022 14:02:27 UTC



10-01-2022 18:17:25 UTC


Kevan: he/him

10-01-2022 18:25:25 UTC

The “pick me” scam is still there, though, the enacting admin just has to set the user account up and have them post a comment while spaces are still legal in names, shortly before processing the proposal.


Josh: Announcer he/him

10-01-2022 18:42:15 UTC

I mean, can’t you prevent that by dragging your heels, Kevan?

Kevan: he/him

10-01-2022 18:52:14 UTC

Aren’t other admins able to create accounts? I’m fairly sure I didn’t set up Dead The Player Named Clucky, at the time.

Clucky: he/him

10-01-2022 20:14:19 UTC


If you’re gonna do this, I feel like a gamestate documenting is a better way to track it. Avoids the risk of text injection or needing to get a clear majority to change the rep by proposal.

Kevan: he/him

11-01-2022 11:45:23 UTC

(Regarding any admin being able to create a new player account, Pokes has now said on Discord that “I think that I did make the account”.)

Brendan: he/him

11-01-2022 17:22:16 UTC


Raven1207: he/him

11-01-2022 19:53:55 UTC



11-01-2022 20:02:28 UTC