Monday, May 30, 2022

Call for Judgment: Ostracon

Reached quorum 7 votes to 0. Enacted by Kevan.

Adminned at 30 May 2022 18:14:42 UTC

Enact a new rule, “In Exile”:-

When a Guardian goes idle, all of their Buildings become Uninhabited.

The Guardian named Trigon may take the action of Reclaiming if they have not already done so this dynasty. Upon doing so they may set an Unoccupied Temple in the Gates, an Unoccupied Temple in the Agora and an Unoccupied House in the Agora to their own ownership.

Set the Buildings which were owned by Trigon immediately before they most recently went idle to be Uninhabited.

If SupernovaStarbright is idle, set the Buildings which were owned by SupernovaStarbright immediately before they most recently went idle to be Uninhabited. Then add the following to the “In Exile” rule:-

The Guardian named SupernovaStarbright may take the action of Reclaiming if they have not already done so this dynasty. Upon doing so they may set an Unoccupied Temple in the Gates to their own ownership.

A quick and temporary fix to unlock the game now that the issue we didn’t manage to address last week has happened again and a potential part of each player’s turn - the Promenading - cannot be performed again until it’s fixed. (I won’t just rush through a straight CfJ reproposal of No Man Has Blinded Me, since it failed, it’s Core, and it didn’t get Josh’s approval.)

posted by Kevan at 30 May 2022 07:19:00 UTC Comments (10)

Comments

Josh: he/they

30-05-2022 07:45:06 UTC

I worry about Snisbo’s Reclaiming giving them back the Barony of the Gates. Setting up new buildings isn’t zero sum, so that’s fine, but if she goes idle and the Gates Deed is up for grabs then it changes the calculus a bit around whether or not you claim it.

Arguably, SNSB isn’t currently idle so shouldn’t get a special consideration in this at all; she knows the stakes around going idle and can’t claim to be misled by the rules, and should be treated as any other idler - i.e. by losing everything.

Kevan: he/him

30-05-2022 07:51:54 UTC

That seemed the closest to the status quo, for handling the Baronry. If the idle issue didn’t block Promenading and we didn’t need a CfJ, we would play on with the Baronry of the Gates having the invalid value of “idle player SupernovaStarbright”, which would still block anyone from taking it, and allow them to get the role back when they returned.

I added a clause for Starbright here since they’re due to become idle in eleven hours’ time, so may not see this CfJ and its potential new stakes before that happens.

Josh: he/they

30-05-2022 08:14:21 UTC

But this still means that in 12 hours wdtefv can freely take the Deed to the gates then immediately lose it when SNSB unidles?

And if they don’t unidle then every player may decide that the Deed to the Gates is a risk that isn’t quite worth it?

Or in the endgame, a player could co-opt SNSB to oust a rival from the gates in a last-minute twist?

I understand why the clause is there but I think that the strategic implications of giving this piece of tracked gamestate (and Baronies are quite powerful, so not a small piece of tracked gamestate) a persistent passive veto are pretty significant. I’d take the Gates Barony out of SNSB’s Reclaiming.

(That said, as written it arguably doesn’t work anyway, as Barony of the Gates is defined by who owns the Gates Deed, and SNSB’s Reclaim doesn’t seem to discuss the ownership of the Deed at all…)

Kevan: he/him

30-05-2022 08:30:23 UTC

Oh, good point, there’s no need to worry about Baronries here as they’re only a way of describing Deeds, which are held by the player directly and will already pop in and out of existence correctly. Have removed the clause.

Josh: he/they

30-05-2022 08:41:32 UTC

for

lendunistus: he/him

30-05-2022 09:34:17 UTC

for

Darknight: he/him

30-05-2022 13:53:56 UTC

for

Gozherd:

30-05-2022 13:55:54 UTC

for

Trapdoorspyder: he/him

30-05-2022 16:28:57 UTC

for

Snisbo: she/they

30-05-2022 16:51:22 UTC

for However I am no longer about to idle out 👍