Saturday, July 12, 2025

Proposal: Passive Ratings

In “Scoring”, replace both instances of “every active Wordsmith other than its author” with:-

every non-Passive Wordsmith (excluding its author, if that author is not Passive)

Replace “unless the author of that Backronym is that Wordsmith or that Wordsmith was not a Wordsmith when the Backronym was posted” with:-

unless the author of that Backronym is that Wordsmith, or that Wordsmith was not a Wordsmith when the Backronym was posted, or that Wordsmith is Passive

After “The Puzzler is considered to be a Wordsmith for the purposes of this rule.” add:-

The Wordsmith named Raven1207 is considered to be the only Passive Wordsmith.

Raven1207 has been indiscriminately giving every other player’s Backronym a score of 5 for the last three rounds, and is now adding “I like it” to those scorings, to meet the new requirement that players also include some words with their score.

As I said to Raven in comments on the proposal that added that requirement: if a player is so uninterested in other people’s Backronyms that they don’t feel moved to say anything about them nor even to distinguish them at all, then maybe we should remove that player from the rating process. (They will still score for their own Backronyms.)

Comments

Raven1207: he/they

12-07-2025 16:54:49 UTC

I mean, technically what I was doing somewhat(but not exactly) opposite Josh had did earlier in the dynasty. His Score 1 on everyone was something he could gain from because it allowed everyone else’s scores low than he could have a higher score or stalemate in an equilibrium. With my score 5 on everyone doesn’t really have the advantage to me because everyone else boost aheads while I could either boost with them or just get a couple of points. Since it’s unlikely for me to win, I might as well push everyone forward instead of pulling them behind me since it would ruin the spirit of the game.

Raven1207: he/they

12-07-2025 17:18:37 UTC

Also, I’d like to add onto my previous message to say that I’m not trying to be like “Oh let’s pity for Raven”. I’m just trying to be a positive kingsman.

Bucky:

12-07-2025 17:35:26 UTC

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Josh: he/they

12-07-2025 17:48:42 UTC

@Raven At no point in this dynasty have I been giving everyone a 1. My average golden score in-round has never dropped beneath 2.5. I don’t really appreciate being called out like that and I especially dislike being called out like that inaccurately.

That said I do find this to be somewhat over-targeted in much the same way.

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Kevan: he/him

12-07-2025 18:20:09 UTC

[Raven] It wouldn’t make any meaningful difference to the leaderboard if you were scoring everyone 1 or scoring everyone 5: all you’re doing is sometimes nudging the medians around a little. If people wanted a higher median we could enact a rule change of “then add another 5”, without anyone having to type it out as a score nine times each round.

A player occasionally passing through to indiscriminately vote “don’t know, 5 points, ‘I like it’” on every Backronym doesn’t feel like a positive influence on a light social word game. It’s like playing Apples to Apples with someone picking an answer at random when it’s their turn to judge, and having nothing to say about it. I’d rather that you didn’t feel that you had to do this.

[Josh] This started off more nuanced, but it seemed worth a direct vote on how the group felt about Raven doing this, since he’s the only player doing it. Darknight switched to a more thoughtful scoring pattern as soon as someone objected to them voting 3 on everything, but Raven hasn’t done that yet, and from their comments so far here (if they think they’re doing the group a favour and that everyone appreciates it) they seem unlikely to.

JonathanDark: Puzzler he/him

12-07-2025 18:51:48 UTC

I’d rather this be solved more algorithmically than personally. That’s why I had proposed a median in the first place, to suppress the outliers, which it should generally do.

Kevan: he/him

12-07-2025 19:02:37 UTC

It does, and autoscoring is an algorithmically neutral action; it’s not doing any harm or giving any benefit. Socially it’s meaningless to mildly annoying to receive “don’t care what you wrote here, 5 points” feedback, even if everyone else is getting it too.

If one player would rather not have to score or comment on other people’s Backronyms, and is only doing so because the rules require them to, we can lift that burden from them. They’re not losing anything, if that’s what they were going to do for the rest of the game. And other players can propose to go Passive if they feel the same.

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