Tuesday, March 01, 2011

Call for Judgment: Pending vs Open &  Invalid research proposals

Four days have passes as well as the voting has reached quorum with 10 FOR 2 AGAINST. - Chivalrybean

Adminned at 06 Mar 2011 21:56:54 UTC

At the moment the terms “pending” and “open” defined by the rule “Science!” are used in an inappropriate way!

Thus: On the research proposal wki page change the heading from Pending to Open.

In addition the proposed learn grunts: “basic speech”,  “custom rite”, “great sky eagle” and “death” are not valid according to the rule “Science!” as their prerequisites are not yet complete or their costs do not obey the rule.
Therefore, these proposals are no votable matter, as the rule states: “If a Research Proposal contains all of these elements then it is considered valid, and it is created as “pending” and may be voted upon.

Thus do the following: These learn grunts cease to be gamestate and are removed from the blog and the blognomic wiki. If this is not possible, the votes cast on these proposals are not to be considered valid.

 

cavemen sloppy. cavemen make learn grunts based on research not yet known. cavemen be more tidy

Comments

Antaeus:

02-03-2011 02:27:20 UTC

against

I agree on first point, i.e. changing wiki from pending to open. 

I technically disagree on second point; but agree in spirit.  I interpret ‘all these elements’ to refer to Prerequisites, Cost, Effect and Field.  Nothing prevents using an open but not complete research projects in a proposal provided it mets all stated rules. 

There is the common sense question of whether an open project can be required as a prerequisite in a proposal.  I believe new learning can occur from open projects that are partially complete; but this is likely infrequent.  I think the right way to deal with this is to offer a proposal and not a call for judgment.

Subrincinator:

02-03-2011 07:56:07 UTC

imperial i want anty to be right, but i’m not really sure.

Blacky:

02-03-2011 08:17:44 UTC

@Antaeus: However: the Rule clearly states: “Prerequisites. Each Research Project must have either one or two existing, complete Research Projects as a prerequisite.”

So it clearly calls for complete projects as prerequisites! No ambiguity at that point

Purplebeard:

02-03-2011 14:17:53 UTC

for

Chivalrybean:

02-03-2011 16:23:23 UTC

for

Kevan: City he/him

02-03-2011 16:45:41 UTC

for

Darknight: he/him

02-03-2011 23:54:31 UTC

for

Winner:

04-03-2011 21:06:34 UTC

against

Antaeus:

05-03-2011 03:49:32 UTC

Blacky - your logic is not tight on this point.  It only states what is the necessary conditions - the rule does not prohibit further prerequisites.  Must have and may only have are two different statements.

THIS
“Prerequisites. Each Research Project must have either one or two existing, complete Research Projects as a prerequisite.”

IS NOT THE SAME AS THIS
“Prerequisites. Each Research Project <bold>may only</bold> have either one or two existing, complete Research Projects as a prerequisite.”

Saakara:

05-03-2011 16:31:19 UTC

for

Ely:

05-03-2011 16:58:38 UTC

for

Badgerigar:

05-03-2011 18:21:20 UTC

imperial

Rodlen:

06-03-2011 00:52:50 UTC

for

Blacky:

06-03-2011 21:36:13 UTC

@Antaeus: I concur with you that “must have” is completely different from “may only have”. However I do not know where your “may only have” originates. The rule Science! clerarly states “must have”.