Thursday, April 11, 2019

Possible Constitutional Crisis

I noticed a DoV and looked at how the victory mechanic works in this dynasty, out of curiosity. I noticed the following sentence in “Items” (see the rest of the rule for context):

Rules that do not add an attribute are considered rules text that apply only to that item.

The definition of a Rule is pretty clear from the Appendix:

Each individually numbered section of the ruleset is a rule, including sections that are sub-rules of other rules.

(Currently, the Rules themselves aren’t actually numbered due to how the wiki page is set up, but they are numbered in the Contents block.)

None of our Rules actually adds an attribute (with the possible exception of the “Items” Rule itself). Does this mean that our Core Rules are only considered rule text to “that item”, whatever that is?

Comments

derrick:

04-11-2019 11:33:13 UTC

Ugg, that really should say “Modifiers”, not “Rules”.

I believe the ability of the appendix, core rules, and special case rules to over-rule that statement. It could potentially nullify our entire set of dynastic rules, but I believe the rest of the game is safe.

Kevan:

04-11-2019 12:48:31 UTC

The CfJ rule explicitly can’t be overruled by dynastic rules, but I’m not sure that helps us if other core rules like “players exist” have been overruled to only apply to “that item”.

There may be some leverage in the fact that “Rules that do not add an attribute are considered rules text that apply only to that item.” also applies to itself. If the “Items” rule applies only to “that item”, it does not apply to other rules.

card:

04-11-2019 16:45:30 UTC

“Currently, the Rules themselves aren’t actually numbered due to how the wiki page is set up, but they are numbered in the Contents block.”
Yeah, that’s their number. We’ve passed proposals/CfJ before that use the numbers given in the ‘Contents’ block as the rules number, because that’s obviously the rule’s number.

As for the attribute, I’m sure we could find some way for the definitions of attribute to allow for the core rules to still have worked the way they did; in case Kevan’s point doesn’t work.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/attribute

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