Tuesday, May 26, 2020

Post-dynastic discussion

So, given that the dynasty’s now over and there’s no point in keeping secrets any more: what Role did everyone have, anyway?

Even though it ended in a rather unsatisfying way, we might still be able to piece together what the gamestate was, and that will be useful for historical records.

Comments

ayesdeeef:

26-05-2020 22:13:15 UTC

Private Eye or Gardener

ais523:

26-05-2020 23:43:22 UTC

I don’t think Kevan’s “maybe we’re all Arsonists” logic applies to players in general; the action of assigning a Role should work if it’s never been done before, even if the Role has a default value.

On the other hand, thinking about it, it pretty clearly does apply to Amnesiacs for whom the Past Memory never had an opportunity to assign a role. That implies that I was an Arsonist, as was Publius Scribonius Scholasticus.

ais523:

26-05-2020 23:46:45 UTC

And the “public knowledge to everyone” roles: Darknight was a Mayor (the only role which would have empty pockets); and Clucky was a Carpenter (there’s no other explanation for Kevan becoming the Villain and Clucky becoming the Hero in a week where Clucky and Josh took the only building actions, with Clucky’s being Carpenter-aligned).

ais523:

26-05-2020 23:48:11 UTC

Err, I mean the only role actions. (Hopefully it was clear what I meant anyway.)

Josh: Observer he/they

27-05-2020 08:11:24 UTC

I was a Sheriff and Trigon was, I think, a Deputy. I think I had four Amnesiacs with fairly provable roles and another two with decent guesses.

Kevan: he/him

27-05-2020 11:15:06 UTC

We should share everything we knew, so that we can maybe piece together the roles.

I didn’t get much, partly because of some bad timing calls: I fluffed one weekly action by taking it too late in the week (with Naught not processing it until the Monday, at which point it resolved differently), and another by a rule changing while I was waiting to hear back from Naught (making it illegal for them to respond, which I pointed out to them when I saw it).

Actual data I got was just:

* Darknight was Mayor because of their empty pockets.
* Clucky was the Carpenter because I’d accused them and lost Reputation for it
* A Reminiscence on Josh linked him to the Jail
* A memory recalled at the Jail linked Pokes to it

I’d been invited into dialogue with Clucky and Ayesdeeef, but didn’t trade any information, partly because I didn’t (initially) have anything to trade, and I wasn’t impressed by a vague plan of “let’s have someone take an action and everyone else accuse them!” wasn’t followed up and left me in the lurch as the Villain.

I’ve got a note here that some of Ayesdeeef’s reasoning was flawed - I think they said something offhand in conversation about how something about Josh and myself had to be true, but it was based on (what I think was) a misreading of the timing of relevant actions.

(And this was all why I preferred a random or null resolution at the end of the dynasty, from the endings offered: I assumed some people must have been luckier in their information gathering, or done better at trading information, and I would lose any showdown based on it.)

Darknight: he/him

27-05-2020 15:53:22 UTC

To tie in with josh and kevan,

Those 5 roles listed were between 80 and 100% worked out. The fill kevan in on pokes I’m leaning on him being the arsonist

pokes:

27-05-2020 16:21:32 UTC

The only information I had is that I recognize Trigon.

Tantusar: he/they

27-05-2020 17:37:16 UTC

I recognised Josh.

Kevan: he/him

27-05-2020 18:49:06 UTC

Oh, I was also told that I recognised Darknight, which adds nothing when we already knew that they were the Mayor (who everyone recognises).

Looking closer at what I think was an error from Ayesdeeef - they claimed in a private message early on the 18th to know my Hideout on the grounds that I was the only other player with a diamond at the start of the week when they Reminisced, but the relevant Reminisce processing occured on the 15th, and nobody had a diamond in hand at the start of that week. The rule at the time would have required Naught to tell them a random Building, without any suggestion that the card had failed.

I was going to point it out, but when I got stuck as the Villain later in the day due to Ayesdeeef not carrying the “Clucky takes an action, Kevan and Ayesdeeef both accuse” plan forward, I decided to keep quiet and leave the misinformation out there, in the hope that it might end up derailing other players.

I wondered a bit if Ayesdeeef was deliberately traitoring, by consciously mis-stating the truth of the gamestate, but decided probably not. Does anyone want to own up as Traitor? (The rules don’t require you to.)

Kevan: he/him

27-05-2020 18:51:53 UTC

I liked Trigon’s diary, incidentally. Does seem like historians of the game would benefit from more players doing that - particularly if it’s kept privately so that it can include suspicions and secret plans, before being revealed at the end. I might start one for the Metadynasty if any intrigue starts happening.