Wednesday, January 24, 2007

Proposal: Problems with proposal enactment

self-killed
Failed by Hix

Adminned at 26 Jan 2007 08:51:36 UTC

Change both instances in rule 1.5, Enactment, of the following:

The oldest pending Proposal

to:

Any Proposal

The proposal by pie-is-square that I don’t want to name fully because it’s too long was vetoed by Clucky because pie apparently had more than two pending proposals. Only thing was, pie had voted against, and therefore self-killed, one of them. Clucky’s action was within the rules, as the s-ked proposal had not yet been admined, but it would have been had the oldest pending proposal rule not been in effect. It’s a better idea to allow an admin to admin any proposal that meets the criteria, so that s-ked and vetoed proposals can be admined and stop plugging up the queue.

posted by alethiophile at 24 Jan 2007 17:13:00 UTC Comments (5)

Comments

Rodney:

24-01-2007 17:43:31 UTC

against The queue is there for reason. Imagine two proposals, A and B. A happens to be a prerequisite to B, yet B gets quorum first. Without the queue, B would fail, just because it’s more popular than it’s prerequisite.

spikebrennan:

24-01-2007 18:24:07 UTC

imperial

Hix:

24-01-2007 20:01:14 UTC

Definitely against .  What about all the proposals that have different effects depending on whether previously written proposals have been enacted/failed?  Also, if someone authors an unpopular proposal, e shouldn’t be able to get eir proposal slot back just by self-killing it.

Oh, even if I weren’t strongly against the intended change here, I would have to point out that it should be changed to “Any Pending Proposal” rather than “Any Proposal”.  Imagine a Proposal from a few dynasties ago that failed with 7 FOR and 10 AGAINST.  I could Enact it now, since it has a Quorum of FOR votes (assuming the 7 FOR votes are from active Olympians).

alethiophile:

24-01-2007 20:05:16 UTC

Why shouldn’t someone be able to get a proposal slot back by s-king? And yes, you’re right, but that should be obvious. Oh, and by the way,  against . I see it’s a bad idea.

Clucky: he/him

24-01-2007 21:14:28 UTC

Hix is right. The “oldesting pending proposal” must stay for exactly the reasons e described. *notices this has been self-killed*  veto anyways in the off chance something strange happens and it would pass without the veto =P