Who knows what is going on at this firm, or which electorate I may or may not be a part of in the future;  on principle

Because teams are kinda screwed up rn

My vote my only be symbolic but it’s still a vote

thanks Zack but your proposal passing has already kinda ruined this =/

Yeah as it stands this can only fail, I think

why? it could still pass if enough people vote on it

It can only be enacted based on information about Employees’ Teams (i.e. assessment of votes vs the modified quorum), so it can’t be enacted.

its impossible for teams to currently change though, as any change to teams would be a violation of the rules. So I think we’re safe there.

I’m also not actually sure if the rules have any clause that goes “If this requires information the enacting admin doesn’t have, it doesn’t get enacted”. I think such a clause would probably be good to include, I just don’t see it.

At the moment, I have no knowledge of what teams players are on. Zack doesn’t need to know your team to assign you a new team, so the orphan rule doesn’t apply, so he could have changed everyone’s team to anything by now, without anyone’s knowledge. I don’t think it’s possible to know whether it’s legal to enact OR fail this, unless, I suppose, it were withdrawn or all present votes became FOR. Even a Veto would be an invalid vote.

I suppose the only fair way to handle this would be, as we resolve it, to take Zack at his word about what team everyone’s on.

> Zack doesn’t need to know your team to assign you a new team, so the orphan rule doesn’t apply, so he could have changed everyone’s team to anything by now, without anyone’s knowledge.

I don’t know if this is true because, whether or not I’m an employee, I don’t think there’s any logical way for me to change the value of variables that aren’t tracked anywhere.

It stands to reason that, since “the historical fact of the occurrence of a defined game action is itself considered to be gamestate”, everyone’s current Team is the same as “the last valid value they had for their Department” because that’s what it says in Horizontal Integration, and it’s not possible for anyone to change it. In that case, Clucky, Ty, Raven, and Darknight’s votes on this proposal are all valid.

“or in the wiki page Gamestate Modifications if this is not possible.”

I feel like I missed the addition of this paragraph, while idle. Then is Gamestate Modifications where you would have to record the fact of your changing our Teams? And since it’s not there, we know it hasn’t happened?

In theory, I don’t see any reason why we couldn’t change an orphan variable, so long as doing so isn’t “contingent on the specific value” of that variable. But I guess now you would have to record that you did so, in Gamestate Modifications? (I’m just trying to clarify what that paragraph is all about.)