Adding the terrain feature is part of the scouting action, and adding the neighbors happens after the scouting action.

Also, this CFJ doesn’t change either the ruleset or the gamestate.

It would change what is in cell 4B

4B either contains either W,S,R W,R or S,R depending upon the interpretation.

W,S,R if scouting is considered the whole ocellus action, since when the Foggy Location is scouted it has no terrain features. Since scouting encompasses adding in the terrain feature, the ocellus is considered to have scouted both when that location has no features and when the feature is added, resulting in Sea Weed and some other neighbor to spawn.

W,R if scouting is considered to happen and end before the name changing and terrain adding portions of the Ocellus rule.

S,R if scouting is considered to happen after the terrain feature is added to the location.

The neighbors don’t spawn after the scouting action, reread “when that location is scouted by an Organ in the ocellus state and the other conditions for spawning are met.” If they spawned after the rule would read something like “Spawn - a neighbor that spawns in a location is added to that loctation after that location is scouted by an Organ in the ocellus state and the other conditions for spawning are met.”

It doesn’t change anything, because there is no statement in the CFJ stating that something should be changed.

Ah right. I’ll add in the changes.

You can’t just say “the affected cells”.  You have to specify which cells.  Also, I’m not sure how an admin would choose to interpret for votes “having” the words “sea weed”.

Also, I think it’s sort of contrary to the nature of a CFJ to say “well if most people say X decide the issue this way, and if most people don’t decide it the other way”.  You have a way you want this to resolve, right?  State exactly what you want to happen and we’ll vote on it.

because I don’t know what this CFJ will do and it’s too old to be edited now.

If I understand correctly, at it’s core the argument is that the ruleset says both “when A happens, B happens after” and “when A happens, C happens after” without explicitly specifying where B happens relative to C. I’d think that in this ambiguity the Ocellus responsible could legally do them in any order and so far they’ve all chosen to add a feature, then spawn the neighbor, so to making this illegal. If in the future an Ocellus chooses to add sea weed, then a feature, that’s okay by me, except it might be confusing to figure out exactly what happened.

[pokes] I guess you’re right in that respect since the Ocellus is not defined with atomic actions. Whenever someone scouts they should probably make it clear what is happening on the wiki page. 

we should tidy this up but I don’t see the need for weed.

Agreed with Viv. This does need to be cleaned up, but this is not the way to do it.

for clearing dank 420. Plus you dont lose anything and I’m up for round 2 with another CfJ Card, if needed