Friday, April 27, 2007

Call for Judgment: Start with Energy

Quorum of AGAINST votes (0-4)—Axeling

Adminned at 28 Apr 2007 12:54:35 UTC

The rule “Energy” does not actually give a default starting energy value. It just says

Energy is represented by an integer number between 0 and X where X is lifeform’s maximum energy value. This value is also tracked in the GNDT and is, by default, 2. If a lifeform’s energy is ever greater than eir maximum energy value, it is set to the lifeform’s maximum energy value.

Bob assumed in eir victory that new lifeforms start with 2 energy, but there is nothing that states this in the ruleset. As the value is undefined, it seems prudent that we should set it to zero.

Thus, we need to fix the error and clarify

Change the above quoted passage from energy to say

Energy is represented by an integer number between 0 and X where X is lifeform’s maximum energy value. This value is also tracked in the GNDT and is, by default, 2. If a lifeform’s energy is ever greater than eir maximum energy value, it is set to the lifeform’s maximum energy value. Each lifeform starts with energy 0.

Set every lifeform as “alive” and reduce the nutrition of each lifeform by 12.

BobTHJ may, within 48 hours of the passing of this CfJ, reduce the nutrition of each lifeform by 3 more and reset eir entry on the creature page and values in the GNDT to that of 12:00:00 AM Friday April 27th, 2007.

Comments

BobTHJ:

27-04-2007 17:04:17 UTC

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“This value is also tracked in the GNDT and is, by default, 2.”

I interpreted this line to indicate that this is the starting value for a new lifeform. This line establishes a default value for energy. By definition, a default value would be used if no other value is specified.

The Hunger rule uses similar nomeclature:
“The default value of this for every Lifeform is 10”

These defaults (2 for Energy and 10 for Nourishment) have been used for all the new lifeforms that have joined the game since their creation.

Clucky: he/him

27-04-2007 17:09:10 UTC

“This value” refers to maximal energy, not standard energy.

Just because we have been playing wrong prior to this point doesn’t mean we should keep on playing wrong. I looked at the rules, and realized we were wrong. It should be changed

BobTHJ:

27-04-2007 17:13:10 UTC

“Energy is represented by an integer number between 0 and X where X is lifeform’s maximum energy value. This value..”

Energy (not max energy) is the subject of the previous sentence, so “this” would appear to refer to Energy, not Max Energy.

Clucky: he/him

27-04-2007 17:16:06 UTC

No, because Energy is already defined. If “This value” refered to Energy, Maximum Energy Value would not be defined. Words like “also” make it clear that this reffers to Max Energy.

Amnistar: he/him

27-04-2007 17:52:46 UTC

I interpreted that sentance to mean the maximum energy is defaulted to 2, but there is a problem in that we never ever see what the starting energy of a lifeform is.

Amnistar: he/him

27-04-2007 18:07:17 UTC

against Because while it may not be explicit in the rules now Clucky, you have a proposal pending which would, in theory, completly negate the effect of this CfJ.

BobTHJ:

27-04-2007 19:48:31 UTC

Quoting from above:
“As the value is undefined, it seems prudent that we should set it to zero.”

Wouldn’t it in fact be more prudent to set the value to 2, as that follows the precedent we have already set with new lifeforms?

Clucky: he/him

27-04-2007 20:07:14 UTC

Like I said, just because we were doing it wrong first doesn’t mean we need to keep doing it wrong.

And Amnistar, loopholes can be plugged. I can SK that proposal and we can make the death reset an often event.

Clucky: he/him

27-04-2007 20:42:31 UTC

This was a silly attempt to thwart Bob’s victory. Luckily, a better attempt is comming Real Soon Now (tm)  against

Axeling:

28-04-2007 19:54:10 UTC

against