Wednesday, April 03, 2024

Proposal: The Peanut Gallery

Unpopular, 1-3 with 1 DEF and Observer voting AGAINST. Failed by JonathanDark.

Adminned at 04 Apr 2024 22:38:00 UTC

If the proposal “It is a little bit about your feelings” failed, then to the rule “Scoring”, add a subrule “Aesthetics”:-

The last valid voting icon that an idle Seeker has used in any comment on a Snap is that idle Seeker’s View on the aesthetic appeal of that Snap: their View is Positive if the icon is FOR and Negative if it is AGAINST. (In all other cases the idle Seeker has no View of that Snap.)

If a Snap is between 48 and 96 hours old and more idle Seekers had a Positive View of it than had a Negative View, then the poster of that Shot may (if they have not already done so for that Snap) increase their Score by 5.

Taking a run at an aesthetic mechanic: letting any idle players vote on it, who want to.

Comments

JonathanDark: he/him

03-04-2024 14:31:46 UTC

Does the “No Cooperation” building block apply to idle Seekers?

JonathanDark: he/him

03-04-2024 14:34:59 UTC

Also, I think there should be a minimum number of voters. A single FOR vote shouldn’t count.

Josh: he/they

03-04-2024 14:43:43 UTC

We’ve dabbled with idle engagement mechanics before but I can’t think of any of them having actually attracted any interest from idle players.

Kevan: City he/him

03-04-2024 15:09:32 UTC

This mechanic is at least trivial to explain to idle players, that they can just put a tick on the photos that they like. Our previous idle action mechanic was a fun idea but probably a bit too complex for onlookers.

On the numbers I’d be happy with even a single player stepping up as resident critic, really.

Clucky: he/him

03-04-2024 16:39:38 UTC

Can you adapt this to work even if Josh’s proposal passes? I think overall I like this more than Josh’s version but I don’t want to vote Josh’s down hoping this one passes

Clucky: he/him

03-04-2024 16:41:50 UTC

oh I didn’t realize this was only idle ones so I guess its tangential to Josh’s mechanic.

I do that this also needs a clause making it clear that no cooperation applies. Want it to be a fun little thing idle people can vote on, and not a “hey come vote for me cause you’re my buddy”

Kevan: City he/him

03-04-2024 16:42:44 UTC

Done.

Kevan: City he/him

03-04-2024 16:46:06 UTC

Done on the first, that is. Would seem redundant to have both “win 2-10 points per nice photo (as judged by peers)” and “win 5 points per nice photo (as judged by idle players)” in the ruleset.

JonathanDark: he/him

03-04-2024 18:04:42 UTC

I’d also like a “no cooperation” clause added for idle Seekers.

JonathanDark: he/him

03-04-2024 18:06:08 UTC

It looks like that probably won’t happen in time, though. I’m out of Proposal slots, so maybe Clucky would be kind enough to use one to add such a clause to this.

Kevan: City he/him

03-04-2024 18:33:15 UTC

It sounds we need to clarify what “Seekers are expected to avoid co-operating to achieve Victory” means in the No Cooperation Building Block, if we aren’t sure whether it would apply to an active Seeker co-operating with an idle one (or with a person who isn’t a player at all).

Outside of this proposal, I can ask an idle player to take a photo for me under the current ruleset, and depending on how you read No Cooperation that’s either fine or it will lose me the game.

Josh: he/they

03-04-2024 19:59:12 UTC

Tepid against , willing to change it if there’s evidence of interest from idle

Josh: he/they

03-04-2024 21:47:44 UTC

Clucky: he/him

03-04-2024 23:35:39 UTC

imperial

I think the idea of pulling in idle seekers is interesting, but it does make it tough to draw the line on “no cooperation”

having a friend take a photo for you seemed to fall within the original spirit of the dynasty, without violating the no cooperation rule.

But I think having friends vote for your photos feels against no cooperation. Meaning we’d need to draw a line on what sort of outside help is and isn’t allowed…

JonathanDark: he/him

04-04-2024 04:37:53 UTC

I’m convinced. We have the cart before the horse. Let’s solidify No Cooperation with regards to idle Seekers first, then we could try this sort of idea again.

against

NadNavillus: he/him

04-04-2024 11:37:00 UTC

against