Sunday, February 26, 2006

Call for Judgment: The “The”

Passed 8-5. Timed out. Adminned by smith.

Adminned at 01 Mar 2006 14:52:58 UTC

If this CfJ passes, make the following changes to the Gamestate, in the order they are enumerated:

1) If anything in the Ruleset reads “If the Captain was not Captain at the time of the posting of the Adventure, e may not veto it.”,  change it to “If the Captain was not the Captain at the time of the posting of the Adventure, e may not veto it.”

2) If anything in the Ruleset reads “If a Swashbuckler other than Elias IX has been Captain for 3 full days, then e may declare victory at any time.”, change it to “If a Swashbuckler other than Elias IX has been the Captain for 3 full days, then e may declare victory at any time.”

3) If anything in the Ruleset reads “If the Supporting side wins, the mutiny is carried out: the Swashbuckler who initiated the Mutiny becomes Captain and the previous Captain loses that position.”, change it to “If the Supporting side wins, the mutiny is carried out: the Swashbuckler who initiated the Mutiny becomes the Captain and the previous Captain loses that position.”

4) If Hix has an active Declaration of Victory, fail it.

5) If there is a Hiatus, end it if there is not an active Declaration of Victory.

Comments

Angry Grasshopper:

26-02-2006 05:22:00 UTC

against

4) If Hix has an active Declaration of Victory, fail it.

I don’t like this. What if you have a good DoV?

Hix:

26-02-2006 05:30:44 UTC

A Proposal to fix this problem is not good enough:  Proposals may take a long time to get to the front of the queue; and Buc-, I mean, Captain may make a false Declaration of Victory to create a Hiatus.  In that case, we would really be scrambling to fix it up before he really did achieve Victory.

CfJ’s also sometimes take too long, but they do live through a Hiatus.  If it seems this CfJ will not meet quorum in time, I can make a Declaration of Victory so that the CfJ can go into effect sooner.

Hix:

26-02-2006 05:33:42 UTC

for

Bucky:

26-02-2006 05:33:47 UTC

I’m accumulating CfJs at a record rate.  This is 6 since the 21st.

Anyway, why is this a CfJ?  the rules say, “If two or more Swashbucklers actively disagree as to the interpretation of the Ruleset, or if a Swashbuckler feels that an aspect of the game needs urgent attention, then any Swashbuckler may raise a Call for Judgment by posting an entry in the “Call for Judgment” category .”  But there is no disagreement about the interpretation of the ruleset, and no effect of this CfJ would be necessery in the next 48 hours, which is how long a proposal would take, so it hardly qualifies as “urgent.”  This should be a proposal.
against

Hix:

26-02-2006 05:40:50 UTC

Yes, a proposal would take 48 hours, but what if we went into Hiatus after 47 hours?  Captain will squirm through a loophole in about 70 hours, so we would be thrust into Hiatus with only 23 hours left.  At that point, our only option would be CfJ, and those seldom pass in that short time.

Scaramouche:

26-02-2006 08:10:37 UTC

for I’m not quite acclimated enough to this system yet to understand all the politicking and exploits of loopholes in the rules, but I know that those rule changes ought to got through…

Purplebeard:

26-02-2006 10:31:23 UTC

for

Shadowclaw:

26-02-2006 11:36:39 UTC

for

Josh: Observer he/they

26-02-2006 12:25:52 UTC

against This isn’t really a rules dispute; as it stands, Bucky’s actions are legal. It should be fixed by proposal.

smith:

26-02-2006 16:53:35 UTC

against Don’t you mean ‘the Swashbuckler who initiated the Mutiny becomes the Captain and the previous the Captain loses that position’? This ‘The’ problem is hard for me to take seriously.

Rodney:

26-02-2006 17:29:36 UTC

against I think it’s time for a little more insanity.

Igthorn:

26-02-2006 21:13:43 UTC

for

Elias IX:

26-02-2006 21:51:42 UTC

for

Banja:

26-02-2006 23:48:52 UTC

for

Elias IX:

27-02-2006 00:12:06 UTC

smith, a second ‘the’ is not needed when mentioning ‘the previous Captain’, as it is already stated.

At least, that’s the explanation I choose to believe.

Elias IX:

27-02-2006 00:13:54 UTC

Also, by the posting of those against votes, two or more swashbucklers actually do actively disagree as to the interpretation of the Ruleset.

Bucky:

27-02-2006 00:36:45 UTC

...About whether or not this should be a CfJ, not whether the actions I haven’t taken are legal or not.

Excalabur:

27-02-2006 13:46:08 UTC

7-5 by my count so far

JelloGoesWiggle:

28-02-2006 06:39:37 UTC

for