Thursday, May 14, 2020

Proposal: The Ways of Knowing

Self-killed. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 17 May 2020 10:29:04 UTC

Add a new rule to the ruleset, entitled Remembering:

Create a new sub-rule in Remembering entitled Strong Hunch:

An Amnesiac may Question the Past Memory if they have never done so by sending them a Private Message, indicating their intent to Question the Past Memory and the single Role that they think they have.

If the named Role is the Role held by that Amnesiac, then the Past Memory should change the Community page to note that that Amnesiac’s Role is Remembered.

Create another sub-rule in Remembering, entitled Epistemic Knowledge:

As a weekly action, if an Amnesiac has not Questioned the Past Memory in the current week or the previous week, they may Confront the Past Memory by sending them a Private Message, detailing their intent to Confront the Past Memory, the single Role that they believe they have, and their justification for that belief.

If the following are all true:

The named Role is the Role held by that Amnesiac;
The justification for their belief is internally logically consistent;
The justification for their belief is entirely based on information given to that Amnesiac by the Past Memory, or given to that Amnesiac by another Amnesiac who was given it by the Past Memory;
The justification for their belief leaves no possibility for their Role to be anything other than the Role named in the private message:
Then the Past Memory should change the Community page to note that that Amnesiac’s Role is Remembered.

This Proposal is busier than I would like it to be because I only had one slot. The two things going on here are 1) Josh’s Proposal without the setting and fixing of the Posture to the Remembered Role. 2) An alternative path for those who want to use logic that does not strictly prove their role. Additionally, to make it so that people are somewhat sure of their role before Questioning the Past Memory, in particular to prevent Amnesiacs from using Questioning as a way to knock out one of two possible options that they’ve narrowed their role down to, there is a punishment for missing: you can’t Confront the Past Memory later in that week or anytime the next week.

Comments

ayesdeeef:

14-05-2020 20:34:50 UTC

How do we know who took a role action or what they did? As far as I can tell from the Ruleset, a Role Action right now is literally just editing the Community page. That’s so hard to track.

Kevan: he/him

15-05-2020 08:46:56 UTC

If a player’s role actions are now only happening once a week, I guess they might as well require a blog post.

against This is introducing the problem that I think Josh was explicitly trying to avoid: that of players being able to guess their Role (either narrowing it down to two possibilities and tossing a coin, or making a last-ditch blind guess on no information at all, towards the end of the game).

It does seem a lot more interesting if we have to be 100% sure of our Role before we can recover our identity.

Josh: Observer he/they

15-05-2020 10:51:00 UTC

against Hard proof seems like a more fun objective to me.

Darknight: he/him

15-05-2020 14:29:59 UTC

against

ayesdeeef:

15-05-2020 18:54:03 UTC

against

Oh, okay. Can someone explain Role Actions to me though? Is it literally just editing the Community page? In which case how do other Players know that a Role Action happened?