Note that “No Amnesiac may spin the wheel until an hour after this proposal has been enacted” will have no effect per “If the Admin enacting a Proposal reaches a step which cannot be applied immediately [...] that step is ignored for the purposes of enactment.”

Last clause ain’t doin’ nothin’. No effect beyond enactment.

Isn’t it applied immediately? All it does is put an immediate ban into effect.

@clucky

The ban would have to exist in the rules. It has to be tracked somewhere other than an enacted proposal.

I don’t think this gives a huge admin advantage though.

@derrick: I think it clearly does because the enacting admin can immediately change eir wager and then spin the wheel if e times it right.

I’ve changed my Wager to remove the admin advantage. I think that my change is legal, but someone might want to CfJ now if they think it’s not.

The last clause doesn’t work because it attempts to create an untracked rule, but I think the proposal as a whole still works anyway.

(If we allowed untracked rules, we’d have much worse problems, because looking at the ruleset wouldn’t give us any confidence in what the rules actually were, and repealing them would be difficult.)

The specific rule blocking it is the parenthetical in “Resolution of Proposals”, “(by updating the Ruleset and/or Gamestate to include the specified effects of that Proposal, and then setting that Proposal’s status to Enacted)”; your untracked rule can’t normally be implemented via ruleset or gamestate changes. (Actually, if the resolution happens between 0:00 and 9:00 UTC, it could be implemented via changing the gamestate history so that the Wheel had been simultaneously spun by every Amnesiac 9 hours earlier, but I don’t think that’s what was envisaged in the proposal.)

Thinking about it, CoV

The gameplay of this is unlikely to be much fun, because Wagers are public; if nobody has the Prisoner segment as their Wager, optimal play is to update your Wager to it and then spin immediately after midnight. In order to stop other people doing that, it means that optimal play is to park your Wager on the Prisoner segment throughout most of the day, then change to your actual Wager at midnight and immediately spin the wheel to stop other people changing to the Prisoner segment.

So this is going to require a lot of busywork from everyone around midnight every day, which is an easier time for some people than others.

Well, to clarify my last comment, my change is clearly legal. The question is whether the enacting admin can change my Wager to “All segments except Ditzy, Rimless, Upturned, and Newsegment”.

I think your change is legal but doesn’t have the desired effect; a Wager is a set of segments, not a description of a set of segments, so after a new segment is added it won’t be a member of your set.

Imagine doing something like that with a gamestate variable you couldn’t voluntarily change, like Mementoes in the previous dynasty. Saying “All Mementoes except insert list of all Mementoes here” shouldn’t be a valid way to automatically gain any Mementoes which are added to the ruleset by proposal.

Per ais.

I prefer explicit rules and not default hidden rules :)

Furthermore, IMHO the new segment is not… funny. It would be funny the opposite. Like Dixit.

Hm, why should new segments in general default to not in everyone’s set instead of in everyone’s set? I agree it makes sense, but why?

CoV

“if nobody has the Prisoner segment as their Wager, optimal play is to update your Wager to it and then spin immediately after midnight. In order to stop other people doing that, it means that optimal play is to park your Wager on the Prisoner segment throughout most of the day, then change to your actual Wager at midnight and immediately spin the wheel to stop other people changing to the Prisoner segment.”

Not sure I agree with if this is optimal play. If multiple people already have that wager, what do you gain by parking there yourself? Even if one person has the wager, changing to it is a spiteful move that only really hurts yourself.

Hey, would an Admin mind unildling me?

I would not mind. Welcome back.

to help clear up the queue once we get to this point