Monday, June 26, 2017

Proposal: This time less generally

Times out 2 votes to 2, with 2 unresolved DEFs. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 28 Jun 2017 19:18:14 UTC

Add to “Artefacts”

The resolution of Inspections use the number of Artefacts that the inspectee had at the time of the inspection post was made.

Upon enaction make an official post title “Reinspection” with the body text containing the text:
“https://twitter.com/blognomic/status/879232294065770497
https://twitter.com/blognomic/status/879232296003522561
https://twitter.com/blognomic/status/879232297844789248
https://twitter.com/blognomic/status/879232299388325888
https://twitter.com/blognomic/status/879232301099610112”

The Expedition Leader shall, in a timely manner, resolve the linked inspections, which were made by the Explorer named card, in the comments to the “Rebunked” post.

Otherwise inspections are frozen because the first five inspections can’t be commented on.

Comments

Madrid:

26-06-2017 19:37:21 UTC

Def or greentick, looks good

Kevan: he/him

26-06-2017 19:49:03 UTC

This seems an unnecessarily confusing way to clean up, and it doesn’t stop it happening again. Would be clearer to change “may resolve any Inspections in the order they were posted” to something like “may resolve the oldest unresolved Inspection post” and just let these ones go (and post them again if you still want them to happen).

Madrid:

26-06-2017 21:14:08 UTC

If it was a more permanent thing I’d be more concerned. If it works, that’s alright, even if its clunky.

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Cpt_Koen:

26-06-2017 22:13:34 UTC

imperial Hey, by the way, I believe deleted Proposals are not a problem at all.

Rule 1.5 “Proposals” opens with the text:

Any Explorer may submit a Proposal to change the Ruleset or Gamestate, by posting an entry in the “Proposal” category that describes those changes (unless the Explorer already has 2 Proposals pending, or has already made 3 Proposals that day).

and this text makes it look like the Proposal and the post in the “Proposal” category might be two different things, in which case deleting the post would not delete the Proposal.

However, rule 1.4 “Vottable Matters” opens with the following sentence, which lifts the ambiguity completely:

A Votable Matter is a post which Explorers may cast Votes on, such as a Proposal, a Call for Judgement or a Declaration of Victory.

Here it is pretty clear that the Proposal *is* a post. If a Proposal post no longer exists, then there is no post, and if there is no post, then there is no Proposal, because the post is the Proposal and the Proposal is the post.


The same can be said, although it’s slightly more debatable, about Inspections.
The paragraph “Bunk inspection” of rule 2.12 “Artefacts” contains the text :

The Expedition Leader may resolve any Inspections in the order they were posted

An Inspection is something that is *posted*; in other words, it is a post. If the post no longer exists, then the Inspection no longer exists (although the inspector did inspect the inspectee’s bunk), and hence it’s not part of the Inspections that have to be resolved in order.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: he/they

26-06-2017 22:40:54 UTC

imperial

Madrid:

26-06-2017 22:50:55 UTC

I believe that your argument from R1.4 works to make it a not-Votable Matter (would you be unable to vote on it via Combos), it would still be a Proposal, because while it says that Proposals can be of that nature, it doesn’t exclude that they can be be of the “unvotable” nature as well. 

I agree with that the last one is very loose. I believe that it would more pragmatically be interpreted as the “act of turning it from a non-post into a post”, although aside that “naturalistic” (like, it kinda seems that it should be so, based on usual use of language) approach, I see no reason why your interpretation wouldn’t be alright too.

Cpt_Koen:

26-06-2017 22:54:47 UTC

I believe that it would more pragmatically be interpreted as the “act of turning it from a non-post into a post”, although aside that “naturalistic” (like, it kinda seems that it should be so, based on usual use of language) approach, I see no reason why your interpretation wouldn’t be alright too.

I’m not sure what you mean. What would be interpreted as the “act of turning it from a non-post into a post”? What is the ‘it’ in that phrase? What is a non-post?

Madrid:

26-06-2017 23:02:02 UTC

“It” would be the (soon to be) post you’re about to make. For example, if I write “Cuddlebeam wins lol” into the text editor, its not a post yet (a non-post), but once I hit that button, it’s been “posted” as per that interpretation I wrote.

Like, “Posted” as in “posting_ a post”, not “It’s up there and posted for all to ssee”

card:

27-06-2017 04:12:20 UTC

At any rate Proposals cease being Voteable Matters if they can’t be voted on, unless the specific example of Proposals in the “Voteable Matters” rules takes precedence.

pokes:

27-06-2017 10:38:15 UTC

I like the idea of playing hot potato with the artefacts, which becomes even more urgent when you see an inspection against you, and so against just for the first rule change

Kevan: he/him

27-06-2017 13:27:41 UTC

against