Saturday, March 29, 2025

Proposal: Thou Shalt Not Zipfile

Reaches quorum 6-1 and is enacted -SingularByte

Adminned at 30 Mar 2025 08:22:43 UTC

Enact a new rule, “Sins”:-

There is a publicly-tracked list of Sins, being a list of words from the [[EFF Wordlist]]. The names of Sins are flavour text.

If a Nomicer is required to Record a Sin when making a gamestate change, they must indicate in the edit summary of that wiki edit a word from the EFF Wordlist; if that word does not already appear in the Sins list, they may add it to that list at the same time.

In “Mill”, replace “reduce the Equity of another Nomicer by 1” with:-

reduce the Equity of another Nomicer by 1 and Record the Sin that they view this Nomicer as having performed

Requiring a word of context for each Mill action.

Comments

Josh: Imperator he/they

29-03-2025 12:08:07 UTC

for

JonathanDark: he/him

29-03-2025 14:36:54 UTC

for

Raven1207: he/they

29-03-2025 15:06:14 UTC

imperial

DoomedIdeas: he/him

29-03-2025 16:09:41 UTC

for

ais523:

29-03-2025 18:51:52 UTC

against Although there’s some room for interpretation with this wording, I think most reasonable interpretations make the Milling mechanic entirely unusable – if you don’t believe the target player has done something that matches a word on the EFF wordlist, the action might end up failing as a consequence – and because the names of Sins are flavour text, it may be impossible to view anyone as having performed any of them because they have no meaning beyond being a string of characters, and you can’t view someone as having performed a meaningless string of characters.

JonathanDark: he/him

30-03-2025 04:03:36 UTC

I think the fact that they are flavor text is exactly what allows this to work. Your “belief in the Sin” is meaningless so it doesn’t matter what the Sin actually is, giving you the freedom to pick anything.

Darknight: he/him

30-03-2025 04:05:56 UTC

imperial

ais523:

30-03-2025 05:09:17 UTC

@JonathanDark: I agree that it’s probably meaningless, but in recent dynasties, haven’t we been typically viewing meaningless requirements as impossible to satisfy, rather than as being trivially satisfied?

It’s just last month (technically – start of February to end of March is almost two months) that this happened, in which a rule had an otherwise meaningful requirement expressed with a plural rather than singular verb, and some players (including you) argued that that made the requirement unsatisfiable – an action that attempted to comply with the requirement would probably have been reverted by CFJ (but the dynasty ended, making the CFJ moot). Having a requirement that’s explicitly meaningless seems like it would be even more likely to make the requirement unsatisfiable.

Zack: he/him

30-03-2025 06:34:05 UTC

@ais523 “if you don’t believe the target player has done something that matches a word on the EFF wordlist, the action might end up failing as a consequence” This scenario could never happen because by choosing a Sin and writing it in your edit summary you are indicating that you view the Nomicer has having performed that Sin, so it would be nonsense for anyone to object on the grounds that you “don’t believe it”. Also there’s no way to prove that, so such an objection would be unactionable. Besides, you can always choose a sin that no one could possibly object to (blinking, eating, voting, etc).

Zack: he/him

30-03-2025 06:41:01 UTC

I would be more concerned about the fact that it’s unclear whether a word counts as a Sin only if it’s on the List of Sins, or if every word ever used as a Sin counts whether or not they’re on the list. Because the latter would be very annoying to track, since you’re only allowed to add a Sin to the list of Sins optionally at the time you Record the sin, and not retroactively later.