Wednesday, July 25, 2018

Proposal: Untouchable

Reached quorum 5 votes to 1. Enacted by Kevan.

Adminned at 26 Jul 2018 18:08:07 UTC

Repeal the rule “Banned”.

Remove the “Speak Easy” card from the ruleset. If that card was in a Wizard’s hand when this proposal enacted, give that Wizard a random card from the deck.

Remove the “Drink” card from the ruleset.

Brendan questioned this during voting, and I think he’s right - saying “this is a list of cards which are X” without including any such list means that no cards are X.

But this is a lot of risky overhead for at best one minor card effect and at worst a major Card scam - by reintroducing repealed cards as being “cards” again, a card effect like The Prophecy’s “you may choose any card” will allow a player to draw a Banned card.


Brendan: he/him

25-07-2018 21:15:21 UTC

Maybe remove Drink tokens as well? I think removing Speak Easy would orphan them.

Kevan: City he/him

25-07-2018 21:42:55 UTC


Lulu: she/her

25-07-2018 22:01:44 UTC


Brendan: he/him

25-07-2018 22:27:15 UTC



25-07-2018 23:50:45 UTC

“by reintroducing repealed cards as being “cards” again” that’s not correct, Banned should hold a list of cards which are removed with the card prohibition or its clones. Cards repealed by proposal/CfJ wouldn’t end up in that list.

Kevan: City he/him

26-07-2018 06:07:47 UTC

I was just using the word casually there. It’s still a problem that an apparently removed card could still be selected by any effect which casually referred to “a card”.


26-07-2018 12:35:06 UTC

There is no such thing as a Drink card, there are Drink tokens. imperial

derrick: he/him

26-07-2018 14:20:58 UTC

Tokens are cards:

“This rule contains card which are created by other cards for purposes of tracking information or for when using the played card is unfeasible.

The following numbered list is a list of legal token cards”

I like “banned” cards technically still being cards. It makes them harder to access, but still legal if you do things right.