BlogNomic: The First Dynasty of Desertfrog

For the record this will remove 9 plots.

Trivial.

Trivial.

Don’t we need to keep track of where the plots are located?

I don’t think so.  This actually removes the patches rather than hiding them.

Meh.  I don’t care where the plots are located.

aguydude: Yes, but if we need to restore an idle player’s gamestate back to when they first went idle, then we need to restore the position in the wiki page as well.  It’s not a matter of caring where the plots are located but whether we’ll need to know when unidling someone.

@Yoda: You misunderstand: I mean I don’t care where the idle player’s plots are restored.  Anyhow, in a pinch we can just look at the Plot’s wiki history.

aguydude: Point taken.  But if we are going to need to restore plot position when someone unidles, it’s going to be a whole lot easier to unmark an inactive plot than to go on the history to see if the unidling player previously had a plot that went poof.  Also, when adding new players, the random position of the new plot includes inactive plots.  So, either way, when someone unidles or joins, we would have to go into the history.

CoV per Yoda’s point.  A better solution would be just replace the heading and plot with a placeholder.

Incidentally, the solution I just mentioned is legal without a proposal…probably.

@aguydude: Probably. But you will still have to check the history when restoring someone for his plots exact content.

I am also unsure how to handle Zs on inactive plots. On the one hand it says that inactive plots shall be ignored by all rules except for unidling. On the other hand, a Z located on an inactive plot is still a normal Z.

Can he move? How does he move?

mideg: aguydude is saying that you can already replace empty plots with, say, “[empty]” or something like that in order to reduce clutter on the wiki page without a proposal because it’s still just a representation of gamestate.

As for the zombies, their location “must be a Square in a Plot”.  Since their location is no longer on a valid Plot, they at the very least are no longer in the current gamestate.  Whether they resume as normal once the player unidles is up for debate.  I might argue that they cease to exist entirely when a player idles and therefore it’s as if they were destroyed, but no one gets the juice from them because the player whose plot they were on is already idle.

Note that it would be very hard to exploit this destruction of zombies since if someone idles at request (rather than timing out at 7 days), they must wait 4 days to unidle again and they come back with a defeated value of 1.

Interestingly enough, one could argue that this proposal in itself does not do anything because it does not change Gamestate but the representation of it.  Therefore, when the proposal passes, since the wiki page will no longer reflect Gamestate, any admin may change it back.