Friday, April 15, 2022

Call for Judgment: Whatever

Failed with quorum against, 2-4. Josh

Adminned at 16 Apr 2022 15:08:02 UTC

Remove Emperor status from Josh.  Start a Metadynasty.

Explanation: “Every Researcher may cast Votes on that DoV to indicate agreement or disagreement with the proposition that the poster has achieved victory in the current Dynasty.”, but Josh and GloopyGhost voted FOR despite not believing victory had been achieved.  I fully expect this CfJ to fail but we have an evening to kill so I’m just throwing this out here

Comments

GloopyGhost:

15-04-2022 21:03:35 UTC

I probably wouldn’t have voted FOR if I had realized that it was (arguably) against the rules. However, I would have likely voted for a separate post that granted Josh victory. I’ll leave this up to everyone else.

GloopyGhost:

15-04-2022 21:04:18 UTC

(I was going to vote DEF but that would leave it to Josh’s vote which seems a bit unfair)

MadisonSilver:

15-04-2022 21:07:14 UTC

for

Josh: Observer he/they

15-04-2022 21:08:51 UTC

Victory and Ascension says “When a DoV is enacted then all game actions that led up to it are considered to be upheld.”

A DoV has been enacted so the votes cast on that DoV are upheld, even if they were improperly cast. On that basis alone,  against

And for what it’s worth, when my vote was cast I sincerely believed that I had achieved Victory; I don’t believe that you can say therefore that it was not a valid or legitimate vote.

Even if all of that wasn’t true, stripping me of my win and starting a metadynasty would be an incorrect resolution; it would be more proper to retroactively fail the DoV and resume the dynasty just past.

Kevan: he/him

15-04-2022 21:11:53 UTC

Looks like there are two separate clauses that let players cast votes on DoVs: “may cast Votes on that DoV to indicate agreement or disagreement with the proposition that the poster has achieved victory” in Victory and Ascension, and “may cast one Vote on a Votable Matter by making a comment to the Official Post” in Votes. So no rule is broken if vote for a DoV you don’t think is valid, or against one that you think is.

Lulu: she/her

15-04-2022 21:29:48 UTC

against why did I even post this

Lulu: she/her

16-04-2022 12:16:41 UTC

for CoV, might actually pass

Josh: Observer he/they

16-04-2022 12:36:50 UTC

Just to flag for players still on the fence: this CfJ will not have its intended effect, as “start a metadynasty” is meaningless in the context of the ruleset. All this will do is prevent me from starting a new dynasty by posting an AA; it will otherwise leave the game in interregnum forever, until another CfJ is enacted that unblock it.

SingularByte: he/him

16-04-2022 13:07:05 UTC

Given that we are between dynasties right now, I believe it is legal for me to unidle myself despite having idled myself extremely recently. Player count goes up to 6, quorum to 4.

Josh: Observer he/they

16-04-2022 13:13:05 UTC

@SB I agree that you’re in the clear to unidle.

SingularByte: he/him

16-04-2022 13:14:38 UTC

Now that I’m unidle, I vote against . I’d have voted against the DoV due to its errors, but there’s a couple of reasons why despite that, I’m voting against this.
1: Once I dropped out of the race to win, Josh winning was basically a foregone conclusion. Nobody else was competing so if the DoV had failed, it would have just been a 5 day wait, then another attempt which would almost certainly have won by that point.
2: The time to stop the win was during the DoV itself, not afterwards. This is just a rehash of the vote we already had.
3: Josh’s vote was entirely legal, and *if* Gloopy’s vote was illegal, it was upheld anyway.

I know pretty much all of this is already known info and I’m just re-iterating what’s been said, but that’s the reasons working under.

GloopyGhost:

16-04-2022 14:33:24 UTC

against per SingularByte’s reasoning.

Raven1207: he/they

16-04-2022 14:48:04 UTC

against