Tuesday, July 22, 2025

Buzzword Matching Letters

I have had a question about Buzzword letter matching asked privately, and it was suggested that I share the answer publicly, so here it is.

I an interpreting the phrase “includes all the letters of a Buzzword” to mean number of instances of each letter. For example, “Fed” in my view does not contain all the letters in the word “Feed” because there are two instances of “e” in “Feed”.

I can see an alternative interpretation in which the phrase was intended to match the existence of the letters themselves, regardless of the number of instances of each letter. If anyone feels like a CfJ is in order to correct this, I’m happy to go back and recalculate all Buzzword matching and award any Points that would be due under that interpretation.

Comments

Bucky:

22-07-2025 17:13:10 UTC

I thought the rule was very clear about meaning what you call the “alternative interpretation”.

Bucky:

22-07-2025 17:31:08 UTC

Also, the cost of not having this information before endgame is probably bigger overall than the direct point costs.

JonathanDark: he/him

22-07-2025 17:36:14 UTC

That’s fair, but in that case, how best to resolve this, if the “alternative interpretation” is in fact the common interpretation, and I’m in the wrong?

The “fairest” way would be to wipe out all Acronym rounds back to the point where Buzzwords were added to the Resolving action for points were introduced, but I don’t think that would be the most fun at all for anyone.

I’m open for other suggestions on how to adjust for this cost. I apologize if this has ruined the dynasty for anyone.

Josh: he/they

22-07-2025 18:34:19 UTC

Sadly I think you can’t correct the situation until after everyone has submitted their backronym. Arguably disclosing this at all while there are still backronyms in the wild has distorted the outcome. Only one left, however. Let’s wait until that’s posted befoe litigating.

Clucky: he/him

22-07-2025 19:01:44 UTC

I feel like anyone could’ve clarified with you sooner. I agree the “alternative interpretation” matches my interpretation, but I think either interpretation is reasonable and so best to just play on.

Kevan: Yard he/him

23-07-2025 13:33:11 UTC

I’m not sure how we’d even calculate second-order effects of these lost scores, given that any other player could have used the public information had it been revealed. Do we agree to apply some across-the-board heuristic in a vacuum before seeing what the changes actually were - or reveal the exact changes and words and argue our cases to the group for what we reckon we might have done differently?

There is also a fair possibility that no scores were affected at all, rendering this moot, so maybe it should start with a short “Emperor confirms whether any Backronyms would have been scored differently” CfJ to see if we need to have the conversation at all.

JonathanDark: he/him

23-07-2025 14:15:32 UTC

The latter would be my preference (Emperor confirms if Backronyms would have been scored differently), and it’s likely more about the revealed Buzzword hints than the extra Points themselves, though certainly the extra Points are important as the top 4 Wordsmiths are fairly close in Points.

All players have submitted Backronyms at this point, so per Josh, it seems like the right time to have the discussion.

Kevan: Yard he/him

23-07-2025 15:07:40 UTC

Oh, I meant “Emperor confirms” in the sense of a yes/no, so that we’d have the option for a dispassionate agreement about what second-order rewards would be fair, before we’d seen the actual numbers for them.

But maybe the second-order effects are just about playing styles (“how many more points would each fishing player have been able to score if they knew about an additional Buzzword; how many non-fishing players would have tried fishing if an additional Buzzword’s letter profile was easy to use”), rather than who actually hit the Buzzwords.

JonathanDark: he/him

23-07-2025 15:19:12 UTC

Well, I’ve already posted the CfJ requiring an explicit run-down of the missing points. If that might be too controversial, I’m ok with it being voted down in favor of a more simple yes/no confirmation.

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