Thursday, May 21, 2020

Call for Judgment: Don’t Believe His Lies

Fewer than a quorum not voting against. Failed 0-5 by Kevan.

Adminned at 23 May 2020 10:35:02 UTC

Enact a new rule, “Past Actions”:-

The following actions are considered to have been taken by Amnesiacs:

* The Amnesiac named Josh and the Amnesiac named Ayesdeeef generated Cards on the 18th of May 2020
* The Amnesiac named Kevan and the Amnesiac named Ayesdeeef Reminisced on the 18th of May 2020
* The Amnesiac named Josh and the Amnesiac named Kevan gained Evidence at the Jail on the 19th of May 2020
* The Amnesiac named Trigon generated a Card on the 19th of May 2020
* The Amnesiac named Ayesdeeef generated a Card on the 20th of May 2020

If a particular Amnesiac has taken more than one daily action during a day in this dynasty, all but the first of such actions are considered invalid and their effects reverted.

If a particular Amnesiac has taken more than one weekly action during a week in this dynasty, all but the first of such actions are considered invalid and their effects reverted.

If a particular Amnesiac has taken more than one “once per Act” action during an Act in this dynasty, all but the first of such actions are considered invalid and their effects reverted.

If the Past Memory received more than one Recall message from a particular Amnesiac during Act 1, all but the first of such Recalls are considered invalid and should not be responded to.

If the Past Memory received more than one Reminiscence message from a particular Amnesiac during Act 1, all but the first of such Reminiscences are considered invalid and should not be responded to.

If the Past Memory received more than one Confrontation message from a particular Amnesiac during Act 1, all but the first of such Confrontations are considered invalid and should not be responded to.

If the Past Memory received more than one Accusation from a particular Amnesiac in a single day, all but the first of such Accusations are considered invalid and should not be responded to.

If the Past Memory received more than one “Interrogate the Evidence” message from a particular Amnesiac in a single day, all but the first of such messages are considered invalid and should not be responded to.

Any Amnesiac may repeal this rule if the Act number is higher than 1 and the date is after the 24th of May 2020.

Attempting a solid rule-based fix to the problems raised in Dailies Bread, including (I hope) catching all the private message actions where we can’t see whether they’ve happened.

(The easier fix would be to say that the history of gamestate-amending actions is itself gamestate, and that the We Forgot Something CfJ should be considered enacted on those grounds, but that seems a possibly contentious rule change and worth a slower discussion elsewhere. I’ll post a separate proposal.)

Comments

Josh: HE/HIM

05-21-2020 11:17:32 UTC

against This doesn’t resolve the issue with PMs sent before the “fix” CfJ. If the sender was not an Amnesiac at the time that they sent a message and the rule making those PMs Recollections / Reminiscences etc was not in place, then do they count? How does naught evaluate which of these are the “first”, or even valid? This doesn’t retroactively validate messages sent before the “fix” and therefore isn’t a robust or holistic solution to the issues caused by it.

Kevan: HE/HIM

05-21-2020 11:29:06 UTC

A good point, and I’d add a one-sentence fix except you’ve locked this down by casting a vote on it.

I’ll give it some hours for other feedback before attempting to repost.

Kevan: HE/HIM

05-21-2020 11:34:07 UTC

Although if Dear Diary turns out to be uncontentious, we can just have a quick CfJ of “enact Dear Diary, consider the We Forgot Something CfJ to have also amended the history of game actions” instead.

Kevan: HE/HIM

05-21-2020 14:04:07 UTC

(Although the final phrasing of Dear Diary now won’t cover private messages, so we still need to add an explicit rule for that, in this instance.)

against anyway.

ais523:

05-21-2020 16:10:10 UTC

against

Darknight: HE/HIM

05-21-2020 18:18:27 UTC

against

ayesdeeef:

05-22-2020 19:59:59 UTC

As far as feedback, note that I also gained evidence at the Jail

Clucky: HE/HIM

05-22-2020 21:42:44 UTC

against