Monday, October 18, 2021

Proposal: [Core] Frowning on Editlocking

WIthdrawn. Josh

Adminned at 20 Oct 2021 20:56:30 UTC

Add to the list of items in “Fair Play”, after the bullet point containing “A Citizen should not edit the “Entry Date” field of a blog post”, the following bullet point:

“* A Citizen other than the author should not cast a vote on a votable matter while it is still legal to alter the post.”

This is generally how we’ve been playing I think so may as well (semi) formalise it.

Comments

Clucky: he/him

18-10-2021 16:36:26 UTC

If we want to make early voting on proposals illegal, just don’t make early votes on proposals count.

But I think there are plenty of cases where early votes on proposals are fine. The two main areas they aren’t are:

1) If you raise a bunch of fixable issue with the proposal but still vote against so they can’t be fixed

2) You just cast an early vote before there has been time to have any discussion at all

But in scenarios where its a lightweight proposal that definitely isn’t gonna change, or you’re just not into the idea the proposal is trying to accomplish as a whole, or its been almost 4 hours and you aren’t gonna have time to vote later—those are all times when I think early voting is fine. which is part of why we’ve kept not casting early votes just as an informal rule.

Josh: he/they

18-10-2021 16:42:37 UTC

against

Brendan: he/him

18-10-2021 16:56:44 UTC

“A Citizen other than the author should not cast a vote on a votable matter while it is still legal to alter the post with the intent to prevent further editing on that post,” perhaps.  against

Zack: he/him

18-10-2021 17:34:28 UTC

against

redtara: they/them

18-10-2021 18:09:04 UTC

@Clucky the intent is I clearly not to make it illegal. This is non-binding, it’s just a suggestion for fair play. Theoretically violating fair play could lead to a ban, but theoretically anything could lead to a ban if enough players vote for it, and I don’t think it’s likely that this will be particularly a source for penalty. Having said that, I would have edited this to reflect Brendan’s suggestion if I could.

Madrid:

18-10-2021 18:50:31 UTC

I believe it would be easier to make it so that you just can’t mechanically lock posts during the edit window.

Raven1207: he/him

18-10-2021 19:08:42 UTC

against

Kevan: he/him

18-10-2021 19:09:28 UTC

against Per Clucky: if the goal here is “everyone should always have the chance to edit their proposal for four hours”, we can explicitly discount early votes (we can maybe even rig EE to hide the voting buttons until four hours have passed). If we want an exception for lightweight proposals where the proposer explicitly allows early votes, we can chisel that out as well.

We do maybe need a written etiquette guide, since “don’t vote immediately on everything, it’s considered rude” is an unwritten rule that we have to tell new players about, but it shouldn’t be in the banning-offence Fair Play rules.

lemon: she/her

18-10-2021 21:09:35 UTC

against

redtara: they/them

18-10-2021 21:33:50 UTC

Yeah having secret levels of rudeness is suboptimal.  against

TyGuy6:

18-10-2021 22:20:03 UTC

against