Kiosks are kind of a boring dynasty end mechanic anyway.

The only clear way to win is with Kiosks

The fact that this removes Kiosks but *not* the victory condition around getting selfies should be sending alarm bells to everyone because it shows Kevan probably has another way of getting selfies without Kiosks, and wants to lock down Kiosks to prevent anyone else from having a chance

“They have in their posession a Souvenier from the Attraction Stop they wish to Drive to;”

if I had to guess, maybe he is going to try and argue that the Attraction Stop they “wish” to drive to is different than the attraction stop they are going to drive to? Like how I can wish the salad I’m eating is actually a pizza?

another possible solution would be to get Brendan to create a stop called “Selfie of myself at No Exit”. Then getting a normal souvenir there would have ‘Selfie of myself’ and the name of a Roadside Attraction in their names, and thus count towards a victory condition

I have no scam relating to acquiring a Selfie without a Kiosk.

I’m just floating the idea of shuttering the Kiosks, given that you were talking about a Kiosk scam last week, and now seem very keen to guarantee that you’ll get to reach a Kiosk before Josh, presumably because you are on the brink of completing that scam.

Like you say, alarm bells.

how does my proposal help me reach a kiosk before josh?

All it does is help ensure kiosks actually show up so that we can transition towards the end of the dynasty.

Removing kiosks, but not roadside attractions, even though a standard reading of the rules suggests there is no actual way to reach a roadside attraction without a kiosk, is incredibly suspicious.

Your proposal means that the very next Stop to be generated will be a Respite-Kiosk, because those are the two Types that haven’t appeared yet.

If that Stop is generated before you take your move (and you well over 48 hours before you’re required to take it), then you’ll be able move to the Kiosk and Josh won’t.

I’m removing Kiosks as the minimum circuit breaker, given that you openly said last week that you have a scam that requires a Kiosk. I am not setting up any kind of scam here.

When I made the proposal, you and Josh were still at 30.

If I was trying to guarantee that I’d get to reach a Kiosk before Josh that would be awfully silly move on my end given Josh had more than enough time to stall out at 30 for a bit, then go to 31, more than enough time to let this proposal pass and then go to the Kiosk

Perhaps beating Josh to it isn’t an issue, it just seemed odd that the pair of you had gone from chatting about Kiosk scams, to him voting against your Kiosk proposals.

I continue to find it odd that you’re trying to use your ally’s actions as evidence to persuade your argument

I keep getting brought up in this but just to note, I have consistently been a non-participant in this discussion and any conclusions made about my actions in the absence of any statements from me seem to be a bit of a reach

[Clucky] I’m not using Josh’s actions as part of the argument. “Perhaps beating Josh to it isn’t an issue.”

My argument is simply that you said last week that you had a scam that needed a Kiosk, and have since proposed twice to urgently get more Kiosks on the board. An easy way to block that scam pre-emptively is to remove the Kiosks.

its hardly urgent if I make two proposals a week a part from each other

As I’ve never managed to create any, possibly because they are cursed.