Saturday, August 07, 2021

Call for Judgment: It Was All A Dream

quorum reached. passes 7-0—Clucky

Adminned at 08 Aug 2021 22:05:34 UTC

The passage of this CfJ asserts that the most recent Ascension Address was invalid ( on the basis that it set a term for Player that existed in the Appendix, in contravention of the rule Synonyms, and needs to be completed correctly before the game can exit interregnum.

Uphold the illegal posting of all proposals submitted to the blog since the posting of that Ascension Address up until the time of the posting of this CfJ, and of that group of proposals, uphold the resolution of all that were resolved before the time of posting of this CfJ.

If the dynastic ruleset contains any rules, remove them.

If a new Ascension Address has been posted between the time of the posting of this CfJ and its resolution, uphold it as the Ascension Address for the First Dynasty of Jumble, which is the dynasty that follows the Fifteenth Dynasty of Josh.

Arguably, this doesn’t change the gamestate and can be failed by any admin.


Clucky: he/him

07-08-2021 19:27:37 UTC

Seems reasonable.

I still do not like going “this thing that happened a week ago was illegal on a technicality, and instead of playing on we’re going to undo it”

but in this case, I think its a nice solution to a bit of a bind we’re in

did we have any proposals which were enacted that used the new General/Leader terms in core or appendix rules? If so, we would need to uphold those enactments as having the expected effect


07-08-2021 19:28:45 UTC

This is scammable: if this reaches quorum, an admin could illegally enact/fail one of the proposals to change the core rules (e.g. “No More Camels”) and then immediately enact this CFJ. I think trying to fix the scam is more trouble than it’s worth, though, and it makes more sense to rely on people not doing that, and to revert their attempt via CFJ (+ possible Fair Play punishment) if they try it.

This should probably also auto-fail “God Does Not Play Blognomic, Probably” because the two aren’t compatible, and this is basically a counter-CFJ to that.

For the third paragraph, I’d be more comfortable wording it as “repeal all Dynastic Rules”; the two are probably equivalent, but the wording that you used seems easier to twist into repealing a core rule somehow.


07-08-2021 19:36:05 UTC

@Clucky: there’s one potential issue in that regard: the break() rule was ended by Raven, who would not be a “General” under this interpretation. However, it was recently repealed by CFJ (which works during Hiatus), and this CFJ fortunately happens to deal with Hiatuses anyway, so although the “inside” Hiatus lasted longer than expected under this interpretation, everything ends up being fixed by the time the CFJ is fully resolved.

“Favours Defaulted” changed cross-dynastic gamestate, but didn’t contain any cross-dynastic keywords.

Everything else only affected dynastic rules, that got repealed by Take Two.


07-08-2021 19:36:50 UTC

I think the ascension address was legal. The term in the Special Cases was “#general” not “General”, and the # is a semantically meaningful difference.

Clucky: he/him

07-08-2021 19:38:01 UTC

actually no that wouldn’t have been a problem because the whole point of this CfJ is to argue we’ve been in hiatus for the last week. So the second hiatus did nothing, and the fact that Raven maybe illegally removed the second hiatus is completely irrelevent because all dynastic rules get removed if this passes


07-08-2021 19:54:53 UTC

I agree that it isn’t a problem.

Clucky: he/him

07-08-2021 21:31:33 UTC

for seems okay


07-08-2021 21:39:32 UTC


Lulu: she/her

07-08-2021 22:43:21 UTC


lemon: she/her

08-08-2021 00:12:42 UTC


Janet: she/her

08-08-2021 02:03:46 UTC



08-08-2021 06:18:28 UTC

Just as a side note: you can’t uphold the illegal posting of a proposal, that’s a sort of change that CFJs are specifically banned from being able to do (the “Official Posts” rule prevents illegal proposals from being made legal by any means, and the appendix wins precedence rules with the core, so they ban core rules like the CFJ rule from making illegal official posts legal). The rest of this CFJ still works, though.

Darknight: he/him

08-08-2021 13:07:48 UTC