Wasn’t there a previous discussion about the fact that “should” implies an optional action?  If so, this should be reworded as “shall” or “must”.

Yep, changed that, thanks

Is the intent that only the cartographer be allowed to update the map?  (it does not seem to be implied to be the case).

If so, giving a whole prestige for every map update seems a bit high as a reward (assuming prestige are rewards), especially since cartographers can never be “dethroned”, and that they can bootstrap their own prestige by creating new Locations.  In this case, I’d be more inclined to give some form of “fractional prestige”, e.g. in the form of a dice roll upon which a success gives a prestige.

Otherwise, if all the users are still allowed to update the map (as per previous Location creation rules), and the cartographer is merely meant to make sure this step is not forgotten, then it seems like we already have a mechanism to make sure people update the map:  their action is not done until they do so.

Provisional but can be convinced to change if my doubts are explained/addresses.

Otherwise, if all the users are still allowed to update the map (as per previous Location creation rules), and the cartographer is merely meant to make sure this step is not forgotten, then it seems like we already have a mechanism to make sure people update the map:  their action is not done until they do so.

This bit isn’t correct: updating the map is a “should” action and is not part of the atomic action of creating new Locations. That is evidenced by the fact that second Location isn’t on the map.

That also gets at why there’s a bounty included in there. At the moment, as you say, Prestige is only ambiguously useful; this proposal, if passed, if anything makes it more likely that Prestige will be fool’s gold. However, it is useful for there to be an incentive for the map to be updated, if only to normalise its use and make it more likely that it’ll end up being keyed into other mechanics. Nerfing ther reward later when the dynasty’s core loop is more developed would make sense; so, perhaps, would be upping other Prestige rewards more generally so that this one scales lower. Until then, it’s a job, and making jobs paid for makes them more likely to get done.

It’s contradictory to assert that the Map “contains all of the Locations that have been explored by Pathfinders” when a later step explicitly deals with how to update the Map when it “does not depict all explored Locations”.

Some Prestige seems fair for putting the time in, but this does feel overly formal - I’d be happy with something vaguer that just allowed the Cartographer to update the map when they felt like it, and maybe get a regular Prestige bonus if the Computer subjectively confirms that they’ve kept the map reasonably up to date.

This “shall, at their earliest opportunity” stuff all seems a bit much, if taken at face value as “cannot legally take other game actions including core”, and when updating the map requires some serious photoshop time.

Would also like to see the contents of the Map explicitly ruled as meaningless flavour rather than defining anything about the game world. If the Cartographer adds weird extra stuff (“Add any links to the map” here doesn’t require them to add the correct ones), it shouldn’t change anything.

“Mission Control” should also be “Mission Log”.

[Bais] The Prestige is (perhaps accidentally) capped - if “The Cartographer may not be the Leader”, then they cannot take actions that would make them become Leader, so can’t ever reach the highest Prestige.

@Kevan fair enough;  sk

Would you be interested in a redraft on the theme? Or should we just get rid of the map altogether?

Although I will say that objecting to “shall"s when you by your own actions have blown a hole in “should"s is a bit rich

It’s the “earliest opportunity” stuff and the burden that puts on the Cartographer - as soon as they’re in a situation where they have the time and means to update the map, this clause seems to be saying that they aren’t allowed to vote or do any other game stuff, they have to get photoshop out. It’s not a huge deal and we’ve done “cannot take other dynastic actions until” stuff before, it’s just something that the Cartographer might regret being locked into.

I like the idea of encouraging interesting game documents along the way, would be happy to see or write a redraft.