Shouldn’t greenhouse cost a seed not a crop?

I like the idea, but I worry about space

To go in any direction, you need at the very least a seeder, a greenhouse, a harvester, and a processor. That leaves you just two other bits of space. Probably need a clink to get cogs. And then if you’re going after Wheat you need to generate boxes. Now you’re full. If Josh’s proposal passes… you’ve over full.

Maybe we just need to increase the machine cap?

I also think its a bit unfair to let the people who’ve already gotten into sugar to skip the seed step.

Whoops, fixed the cost. The initial version I had in mind just cost Crops directly, but I was worried that Seeder might be too good if it just gave you one of any crop.

I guess a proposal like this would be a reason to demolish machines a lot – the dynasty would be about juggling machines to stay within the cap. That isn’t necessarily a bad idea. (For example, there’d be no need to keep your Seeder around once you’d generated the first Seed.)

This proposal should be fair on the people who don’t already have Sugar, though – giving an advantage to the existing Sugar magnates is likely to be very unfair to the other players. The simplest fix I can see is to convert all existing Sugar to Sugarcubes (which can’t be paid to produce Sugar seeds) – it was likely destined to end up there anyway.

Now out of edit period.

I really like the idea, so I’ll let someone else do an appropriate fix for the initial-seed-distribution issue if one is required.

I saw a fun idea on discord about trying to make a cake. This seems like a step towards that, as well as making sugar not necessarily the best way to go.

This is still unfair to people to didn’t go sugar from the start. Not only do they have an easy way of getting seeds because they already have sugar, they already have a harvester

So to get ramped up, they basically just need to spend a cog on a seeder and they are good to go

Meanwhile, a person who hasn’t already bought stuff would need to buy a seeder, use that to buy a greenhouse. Then the next round they can maybe start to do stuff, unless you want a second greenhouse in which case you gotta spend more time making seeds

So people who already have greenhouses for free get a big leg up

I agree that it isn’t ideal.

Bear in mind, though, that it’s possible to buy a Greenhouse, for free, while this proposal is pending (currently everyone who has all six Machine slots full has Greenhouses already). So it isn’t as unfair as it looks.

Is it intentional that Harvester includes all greenhouses after this, not just hot greenhouses?

Yeah, I noticed that but didn’t feel like saying anything

Oh. Without the hot restriction, you could put seeds in it once, and then not worry about it ever again unless you wanted to change seeds. Not enough for me to vote against, but probably needs to be fixed.

Yeah, I was figuring that the seed cost would be for changing which crop is planted, not for every time you want to harvest.

I’m open to an amendment fix, though.

Per Clucky, this gives nothing to players who aren’t already invested in greenhouses.

because of the bug

@Jason Not a bug, it was intentional that you only need to activate a greenhouse to plant, not to harvest.