Monday, July 26, 2021

Call for Judgment: Tale of the Missing Glyphs [Pressing]

Quorum against, 0-5. Josh

Adminned at 26 Jul 2021 16:52:14 UTC

If “Agree to Disagree [Pressing]” is still pending, fail it.

Uphold the gamestate corrections made by the following three wiki edits:

Extend Witching Hour by 24 hours after the time at which this CfJ was enacted.

A counter-CFJ to Josh’s: just as we did earlier in the dynasty with the room-relighting scam, let’s uphold what the rules say, even if it puts someone at a disadvantage. Earlier in the dynasty, I was placed at a disadvantage when someone exploited the exact words of a room to remove my Influence-generating machine; this is the exact same situation here, just with a different set of people.

Because the current wording of the rule isn’t that fun for gameplay, we can change it – but that should be by proposal, not CFJ, as it’s a change rather than a clarification.


Josh: he/they

26-07-2021 14:18:33 UTC

As stated in the other CfJ, this is a mean-spirited attack on players for no reason other than that they played well, and I reject it utterly.


Clucky: he/him

26-07-2021 14:58:24 UTC

It also is self contradictory

It argues that glyphs never existed, but then only tries to ignore the influence generation from glyphs for a single round, not the entire game.


26-07-2021 15:01:05 UTC

It ignores the influence generation from Glyphs for several rounds (including one in which Chiiika was the only beneficiary), going back to which explicitly upheld influence gains from Glyphs. Because those changes were upheld, I didn’t revert them (even though the changes weren’t initially legal), because the gain wasn’t technically from the glyphs – it was from the CFJ.

Clucky: he/him

26-07-2021 15:10:25 UTC

it literally doesn’t, given I gained influence from glyphs last round which I used to shatter


26-07-2021 15:14:01 UTC

No you didn’t:

Your only influence gain there was the basic 1 for having a Sepulchre.

Lulu: she/her

26-07-2021 15:35:30 UTC


Clucky: he/him

26-07-2021 15:38:08 UTC


Lulu: she/her

26-07-2021 15:43:14 UTC

imperial rereading

Clucky: he/him

26-07-2021 15:57:29 UTC

also please note that we have only “upheld influence gained through glyphs”, but as no one had glyphs then no influence was gained through glyphs and instead it was gained through some other source and thus hasn’t been upheld

meaning were this to pass, the game would be in a super weird state


26-07-2021 16:30:29 UTC

against Clucky has mentioned that there were mistakes in the specific recalculations here: lemonfanta had no Sigils when she used her Imperial Favour, so that glyph construction, at least, would have worked.

So we shouldn’t be upholding miscalculated gamestate corrections.

Raven1207: he/they

26-07-2021 16:51:34 UTC