Friday, July 25, 2025

Proposal: Temporarily-minded Seal [Appendix]

Withdrawn. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 27 Jul 2025 06:44:37 UTC

If Sealed with Approval [Appendix] passed, revert it’s effects.

In Numbers and Variables; after “If a piece of information is described as being tracked secretly or privately by the Yard (including secretly random selections), then that information may only be revealed by the Yard when the ruleset allows it. If a Truck should already know such a piece of information (in that the Yard has already told them it, or vice versa, and there is no way that the information could have been changed since then), the Yard may repeat it to them.” append the following text:

Additionally; if a piece of private information is described as being tracked temporarily secretly or temporarily privately by the Yard; said information becomes Public during a Interregnum.

Comments

Josh: he/they

25-07-2025 20:08:58 UTC

This has an interesting side effect - intended? - that the previously-private information would have to be added to the public gamestate tracking document when disclosed, if there was one.

I prefer that it be an exception rather than a default.  for

eternalservererror:

26-07-2025 00:26:47 UTC

for

Vovix: he/him

26-07-2025 00:57:05 UTC

for

DoomedIdeas: he/him

26-07-2025 02:38:18 UTC

for

Kevan: Yard he/him

26-07-2025 07:08:42 UTC

Something like “Sealed” seemed useful as a keyword. “Menus are privately tracked by the Yard, and their contents are Sealed.” signals to the reader that something unusual is happening here, and that they might want to look up that keyword. “Menus are tracked in a temporarily private manner by the Yard.” less so, and could be read as either “becomes public later” or “stops being tracked later” by a player who doesn’t realise that temporarily private is a term of art in the game.

I think Bucky’s “published [...] as soon as is practical afterwards” wording was also closer to what we’d want in practice. That’s essentially what we asked of the Puzzler at the end of last dynasty.

against

aria: she/they

26-07-2025 11:41:05 UTC

against

JonathanDark: he/him

26-07-2025 13:52:35 UTC

Agree that the “Sealed” concept is closer to what is desired. I’d rather see Bucky’s clunkier wording than lose that idea.  against

eternalservererror:

26-07-2025 14:19:29 UTC

Changing to against based on the arguments.

Kevan: Yard he/him

26-07-2025 14:40:20 UTC

In case my comment reads as an argument for keeping Bucky’s Sealed keyword (which I’m also voting against), I’m pitching at a middle ground. “Additionally; if a piece of private information is described as being Sealed, then the Emperor may publicly reveal it during an Interregnum or any subsequent dynasty.” would seem enough.

Kevan: Yard he/him

26-07-2025 14:41:23 UTC

(... “then the player who was tracking it”, I guess, since they’ll stop being Emperor.)

Darknight: he/him

26-07-2025 14:50:02 UTC

against

Chiiika: she/her

26-07-2025 17:16:56 UTC

I thought about it and I think a Sealed private one is *very* clunky - I’d rather it be something something dynastically private or tracked privately dynastically.

Chiiika: she/her

26-07-2025 17:18:02 UTC

unless; they choose to split it as you wrote; private x and is Sealed you can’t put them nicely in a sentence.

Chiiika: she/her

26-07-2025 17:29:22 UTC

against sk for Dynastically-minded Privacy [Appendix]