Friday, March 05, 2010

Proposal: The Jitters

Timed out 4 votes to 13. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 07 Mar 2010 01:46:13 UTC

Enact a new subrule of Rule 2.1 “Commoner’s Economy” entitled “Caffeinated” which reads as follows:

As a weekly action, a Commoner may decrease their amount of Caffeine by 5 in order to gain the quality “Caffeinated”.  A Caffeinated Commoner may choose at any time to stop being Caffeinated and gain an extra 10 Coal during their next Scavenge.  If any actions are prohibited to a Commoner because of Night, a Caffeinated Commoner may perform them if they are not otherwise prohibited.  A Caffeinated Commoner cannot take any action which would cause them to Sleep, nor can any other Commoner’s action cause them to Sleep.

To allow a use for caffeine in the rules and potentially open up other ways in which the rules could be expanded to use Night or Sleep mechanics.

posted by dbdougla at 05 Mar 2010 00:24:11 UTC Comments (22)

Comments

yabbaguy: Idle

05-03-2010 01:19:20 UTC

imperial

Like this, but I’m paranoid of the undefined terms “Night” and “Sleep”.

dbdougla: Idle

05-03-2010 01:36:09 UTC

If they are never defined, then, as worded, I don’t think their particular clauses can affect gameplay in any way.  The potential holes will come when a rule actually defining Sleep or Night occurs.

redtara: they/themIdle

05-03-2010 01:57:50 UTC

for If they’re undefined they mean nothing.

redtara: they/themIdle

05-03-2010 01:58:05 UTC

for If they’re undefined they mean nothing.

Klisz: Idle

05-03-2010 02:36:23 UTC

against  Ahem. “Boring”.

tecslicer: Idle

05-03-2010 02:50:19 UTC

against If they’re undefined they mean nothing.

Though collectible Card Game makers have been using this for years to “Foresee” future addon packs, or cards.

Klisz: Idle

05-03-2010 03:14:28 UTC

@Ienpw,tecslicer: They don’t mean nothing just because they’re undefined. If they’re undefined they take on the normal English definition of the word.

Pteriforever65536: Idle

05-03-2010 04:40:41 UTC

against They don’t really seem to mean very much. I don’t really like undefineds.

dbdougla: Idle

05-03-2010 04:52:54 UTC

The whole point was to inspire someone else to continue shaping these rules along a more well defined trajectory.  When iron, wood, and other resources were first created, they were worthless and undefined in their effects, too.  Now inventions have been made to use them.  Caffeine is still useless.  If you’re not willing to vote for this proposal, propose something of your own that uses caffeine.

Klisz: Idle

05-03-2010 05:13:41 UTC

@Pteriforever: You are not a player yet, so you cannot vote.

Darknight: he/him

05-03-2010 05:48:33 UTC

imperial

Roujo: he/himIdle

05-03-2010 06:07:27 UTC

for =)

Josh: he/theyIdle

05-03-2010 07:25:01 UTC

against 5 Caffeine for 10 coal seems like a bad trade.

Rodlen: Idle

05-03-2010 07:26:51 UTC

imperial

Anonyman: Idle

05-03-2010 08:05:21 UTC

imperial
Huh. Until we define Night and Sleep, this isn’t that interesting.

Kevan: Concierge he/him

05-03-2010 08:28:27 UTC

against

lordcooper: Idle

05-03-2010 13:07:45 UTC

imperial Per Anonyman

Kevan: Concierge he/him

05-03-2010 14:35:15 UTC

For what it’s worth, if something has an ongoing effect like this (particularly an effect which could potentially last for weeks), we should explicitly track that somewhere - such as the GNDT or a wiki page - rather than relying on players to remember it.

ais523:

05-03-2010 17:15:05 UTC

against The undefinedness is not that much of a problem, but we did day/night last dynasty, and it’s nice to have a change.

Purplebeard: Idle

05-03-2010 20:33:42 UTC

against

Qwazukee: Idle

07-03-2010 08:49:28 UTC

against

Keba: Idle

07-03-2010 09:29:47 UTC

What? I have not voted in this Proposal?

for per Josh. Unlike him, I think it’s good that the trade is bad. So this is useless until “Night” becomes more important.