Sunday, January 22, 2023

Proposal: Time Goes By

Fewer than a quorum not voting AGAINST. Failed 3 votes to 6 by Kevan.

Adminned at 24 Jan 2023 10:31:25 UTC

In the rule The Gift Of The Isle, change “If they have not done so in the past 36 hours, the Onlooker may perform a Production of Resources” to:

If no Explorer or Onlooker has done so in the past 36 hours, then any Explorer or Onlooker may perform a Production of Resources

In the rule Corsair remove the paragraph that begins “Target Values and Adjusted Target Values are privately tracked by the Onlooker”. In the same rule, change “Each Settler has a Bribe, which is either blank or is quantity of named items, and which is privately tracked by the Onlooker” to read:

 

Each Settler has a Bribe, which is publicly tracked and is either blank or is quantity of named items

In the same rule change “A Settler may, at any time, privately communicate the Onlooker to adjust their Bribe to a legal value.” to read:

 

A Settler may change their Bribe at any time.

I don’t see any reason why this has to be an emperor action, especially if it being an open action might lead to turns happening within their 36 hour time windows.

Comments

Kevan: he/him

22-01-2023 12:54:31 UTC

The Bribe subgame is much less interesting if we can see everyone else’s bid: you only ever have to set a Bribe if you’re currently the target. I could live with simplifying the Corsair to remove the Bribe aspect entirely, though.

(Also, “A Settler may, at any time, privately communicate the Onlooker to adjust their Bribe” still works mechanically here, but there’s no reason for us to message the Onlooker if it’s now public.)

Josh: he/they

22-01-2023 13:07:06 UTC

Completely take your point about the bribe mechanic losing its teeth, here; didn’t want to bite off more than I could chew with also reforming it. Think that needs to be a follow up proposal.

Trapdoorspyder: Onlooker

22-01-2023 15:46:47 UTC

I’m overall fine with this. I’m sorry about the weekend I had to be out of town kind of slowing down the game further, but whatever.

Josh: he/they

22-01-2023 15:59:32 UTC

No worries - would have been good to know but delays do happen. This would mean that we could turn off dynastic distance if you wanted, though

Kevan: he/him

22-01-2023 17:07:20 UTC

We had a warning in advance on Discord that a Production action would be unlikely this weekend. I’d be fine with the “most recent” tracker flipped to “next due” with some room for the Onlooker to bump it forward at their discretion, if they’re generally expecting to be able to maintain the 36-hour clock, with occasional and predictable exceptions.

Habanero:

23-01-2023 02:57:44 UTC

for

Kevan: he/him

23-01-2023 09:26:12 UTC

imperial The new hot-potato Bribe game doesn’t sound much fun, and I’d rather keep the door open for some other secret-instruction mechanics, if Trapdoorspyder feels generally able to process them.

Josh: he/they

23-01-2023 09:37:38 UTC

EAV imperial

JonathanDark: he/him

23-01-2023 15:56:46 UTC

@Josh: Just for my education, what does EAV mean, “edited author vote”? I’m assuming from context that since you’re the author of the Proposal, it’s changing your automatic green tick vote into a def vote, but I couldn’t work out the acronym.

Also,  imperial from me

Josh: he/they

23-01-2023 16:09:36 UTC

Explicit Author Vote; exactly right, is signals to the enacting admin that it overrides the implicit authoral FOR. NB that it doesn’t withdraw the proposal if the Emperor votes AGAINST; Withdrawing only happens if my own vote is AGAINST, it doesn’t transfer through.

Chiiika: she/her

23-01-2023 18:27:31 UTC

for

Raven1207: he/him

23-01-2023 18:57:27 UTC

for

Trapdoorspyder: Onlooker

23-01-2023 20:46:17 UTC

against I am 100% okay and perhaps even support anyone being able to perform a production of resources, but bribing has no teeth as an open game, which is rather unfortunate. I should be pretty consistent from this point on either way,

Misty:

24-01-2023 00:58:03 UTC

against

quirck: he/him

24-01-2023 10:28:46 UTC

against