Monday, March 01, 2021

Proposal: Vulgaria

Reached quorum 6 votes to 0. Enacted by Kevan.

Adminned at 02 Mar 2021 19:09:30 UTC

If “The Masked Elector” enacted, remove “When a Winnower is named, all Electors whose Faction is the same as the Winnower’s gain 1 Political Power, and all Electors whose Secret Faction is the same as the Winnower’s gain 2 Political Power.” from the “Winnowing” rule and add the following steps after the second in the Masquerade atomic action:

* Increase by 1 the Political Power of each Elector whose Faction is the same as the Winnower’s, unless that Faction is Prominent.
* Increase by 2 the Political Power of each Elector whose Secret Faction is the same as the Winnower’s.

If “The Masked Elector” failed, replace “When a Winnower is named, all Electors whose Faction is the same as the Winnower’s gain 1 Political Power, and all Electors whose Secret Faction is the same as the Winnower’s gain 2 Political Power.” with:-

When a Winnower is named, all Electors whose Faction is the same as the Winnower’s gain 1 Political Power (unless that Faction is Prominent), and all Electors whose Secret Faction is the same as the Winnower’s gain 2 Political Power.

Adding a more immediate impact to the most-mistrusted house: no Winnower payout for them. (This is, I think, the only reason that Di Fieri is so oversubscribed at present.)

Also moving the Winnower gains into the atomic action, if it exists,

and renaming the (deliberately?) misleadingly-named concept of Prominence to something negative-sounding.

Comments

Josh: Observer he/they

01-03-2021 13:59:24 UTC

Not a huge fan of the Prominence change; Prominence is based on the idea of being a Candidate (the precursor-term) being bad, which in turn feeds in from the AA’s positioning of a candidate for the position of powerless Doge being a punishment for being overly suspicious or aggressively, well, prominent - by which I mean, there’s a bit of theme underpinning the idea that prominence is bad, and I like that theme, so here we are.

Won’t vote against based purely on that but still wanted to lodge the objection, in case an alternative can be found in the next hour.

Kevan: he/him

01-03-2021 14:31:24 UTC

Ah, I’d forgotten its history. The current ruleset’s “a member of a highly-Mistrusted Faction is Prominent Patrician, which means they have zero Political Heft” reads like unnecessary sleight of hand, though, I think I’d rather we built on a less sarcastic foundation. Being “aggressively, well, prominent” sounds like vulgarity to me.

Josh: Observer he/they

01-03-2021 14:39:30 UTC

For me it gets too far away from the theme; it doesn’t speak of someone who politiced too hard and now stands to be elected as the powerless figurehead of the country, it speaks of someone who chose too much gaudy chintz for their drawing room.

I dunno, is the theme of a dynasty actually important? Maybe not, but between this and the Mistrust idea it’s drifting in a slightly more generic, more morality-based and less power-interplay based, direction. It might just be me that matters to, though.

I’d prefer something at the very least neutral (the Candidate language served well; Prominent/Candidate is less overtly positive than Prominent/Patrician), although if it were up to me I’d lean into the theme even if it meant heightening the dramatic tension implicit in the language (Illustrious or August or Eminent would be my choices).

Kevan: he/him

01-03-2021 14:54:28 UTC

Theme matters, this bit just feels like it’s beginning to creak from being somewhat sarcastic, if being a Prominent Patrician sounds like a good thing to be, but isn’t. I know that can be good Nomic play - “Hey, wake up, I’ve found a loophole that makes you a Prominent Patrician, just sign here!” - and that itself fits the setting, but in practice we usually end up building contradictory rule structures based on misreadings.

It is a good narrative, though. I’ll strip off the rewording and leave that aspect for another day.

Josh: Observer he/they

01-03-2021 14:55:17 UTC

Thank you.

The rest of it looks great for

Lulu: she/her

01-03-2021 14:56:23 UTC

for

Clucky: he/him

01-03-2021 16:34:44 UTC

for

Brendan: he/him

01-03-2021 22:36:39 UTC

for

Zack: he/him

02-03-2021 03:25:37 UTC

imperial