Thursday, March 05, 2015

Proposal: Well, That Shortened the Queue

Self-kill. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 05 Mar 2015 16:35:49 UTC

Apply all ruleset changes proposed by the failed proposal “Back Again in the DHSS”.

Apply all ruleset changes proposed by the failed proposal “Seasonal Adjustment”.

Apply all ruleset changes proposed by the failed proposal “Seasonal Affective Order”, unless the Astrologer has included the words “but don’t enact Seasonal Affective Order” in a comment on this proposal.

Apply all ruleset changes proposed by the failed proposal “Colder Readings”, unless the Astrologer has included the words “but don’t enact Colder Readings” in a comment on this proposal.

Then move the sentence “Then, the Townsperson who called the Day of Observance removes the Workplace and Acumen of every Townsperson.” so that it appears immediately after the bulleted list of Workplaces in the rule “Workplaces”.

Then move the paragraph beginning “Then, the Townsperson who called the Day of Observance should post a blog entry” so that it appears immediately after “Then, the Townsperson who called the Day of Observance removes the Workplace and Acumen of every Townsperson.”

So: I had to self-kill Back Again in the DHSS because Garbage Disposal v2 hit Super Quorum and inserted a paragraph at a point in the Workplaces rule that would have caused Workplaces to reset every time someone took out the trash (allowing players to reroll Acumen endlessly). Which I should have caught when proposing “Back Again”.

Seasonal Adjustment has a similar problem (taking out trash causes the seasons to change), and self-killing that also kills off the dependent proposal Seasonal Affective Order, which kills off Colder Readings. Which in turn kills off Fatality.

It’s a mess, but just reenacting all of the latter (except Fatality) is maybe the cleanest solution. Fatality has had pretty much nothing but DEFs so far, so should probably be reproposed from scratch - Seasonal Affective Disorder seems popular enough, and Colder Readings only has AGAINSTs from players who mistakenly thought we already had a prophecy system (they were all self killed), so I’ll give an option for the Astrologer to unplug either of those two in votes.

Comments

mideg:

03-05-2015 13:38:16 UTC

I voted against “Colder Readings” because:

“Still, I personally feel we have enough basic gameplay elements and should start with some actions, let alone some kind of goal…”

The prophecy had been mentioned before.

What shall I make of these accumulation if I voted against one and for others? Also, there’s even a chain of “Apply all ruleset changes” in here, since “Back again in the DHSS” already was a fix for a previous Proposal.

This type of “remote ruleset changes”, in my opinion, make the whole proposal so complex and unreadable that I cannot in good conscience say that I understand what it does. Therefor:
against

Ely:

03-05-2015 13:38:39 UTC

for But the Astrologer should self kill Definitions if this is going to pass.

mideg:

03-05-2015 13:43:41 UTC

Also, still no fix for the complete(?) lockup if the 48h period is violated.

If by bad luck, no admin changes the season in the 48h period (I think referred to as Seasonal Festival Period in one of the later Proposals) then no new DoO can be called since one already happened in the season. While unprobable, why take the risk? Or rather, there seems to be no season, since the end of one has been caused by the DoO, but no new season was initiated?

I’m confused. :-/

Also: Why put four Proposals in one when we can have five active proposals in this Dynasty? It seems unnessecary.

ayesdeeef:

03-05-2015 14:04:01 UTC

to shorten the queue…

for

Things can still be fixed by Proposal if the unprobable lockup occurs

Kevan:

03-05-2015 14:08:29 UTC

[mideg] I thought I’d keep it simple and keep the queue short: even if people just remember how they voted on the previous proposals and vote FOR if they liked all of them and AGAINST if they objected to any, I think we’ll still safely hit a majority over the weekend.

Had forgotten about the 48 hour problem while fixing the mess here, though, I’ll make a follow-up proposal.

mideg:

03-05-2015 14:24:51 UTC

Simple, hah!

Just kidding, thanks for the fix regarding the 48h-period. :)

Josh:

03-05-2015 14:33:48 UTC

for

Sylphrena:

03-05-2015 14:50:50 UTC

for

Purplebeard:

03-05-2015 15:15:51 UTC

for

Brendan:

03-05-2015 15:50:35 UTC

for At this point, Kevan could very easily shove “and Kevan achieves victory” in one of these omnibus reproposals and I’d probably be unable to see it.

Murphy:

03-05-2015 15:54:03 UTC

imperial

Kevan:

03-05-2015 16:35:26 UTC

Actually, ha, now that Brendan says it, this is actually scammable. I unintentionally switched from “the earlier” to “the failed” for some reason, and the enacting admin could make another proposal called “Seasonal Adjustment” with any effect, kill it and enact it choosing that proposal as “the failed”.

against Self-kill.