Tuesday, April 30, 2024

Call for Judgment: Admins do not have discretion

quorom reached. Passes 6-0—Clucky

Adminned at 30 Apr 2024 21:14:11 UTC

In “The Haul” replace:
* “Add DICE20 Florins to the Haul” with “Add 1 Florin to the Haul”
* “Make a blog post in the Story Post Votable Matter category announcing the contents of the Haul; this is known as a Haul post” with “Make a blog post in the Story Post Votable Matter category, announcing the contents of the Haul and what each Thief’s plan was; this is known as a Haul post”.

Uphold that Story Post: Haul: The Milliner was not validly created and has no effect as a Haul post. Uphold that the atomic action that would have created that post was not started and revert all of its steps.

When Kevan enacted Proposal: We skipped step 1 he skipped, as impossible, a step that would replace one bullet point in the Burglary action with two bullet points. The problem is, that’s not impossible - you just replace the one apple with two oranges - and while it would break the rule a little, and would be contrary to the implied original intent of the proposer, it is not the job of an enacting admin to apply judgement or discretion in either of those matters.

Because this proposal was mis-adminned, the haul in The Milliner is artificially inflated, which will clearly benefit whoever ends up on the best side of the chop in a way that will persist throughout the rest of a dynasty. Because the size of the Haul was improperly calculated, because a second Haul Post has not been created, and because the Haul post that was published is not “announcing the contents of the Haul” (which has a different value from that expressed), the Burglary atomic action has not been completed.

The game has not progressed so far that any way forward other than reverting and properly applying the rule makes sense. I’m fixing the mistake in the original proposal while I’m at it.

Comments

Kevan: he/him

30-04-2024 09:45:42 UTC

Per Discord, my reading was that an instruction to replace X with Y, and also to replace X with Z at the same time, could not be followed; if I replace X with the concatenation of Y and Z then I haven’t truly done either, so the step cannot be performed.

Josh: he/they

30-04-2024 09:50:50 UTC

Happy to debate the rights and wrongs of rendering a shoddy proposal on discord; this CfJ (and I appreciate that the title and my commentary don’t help much with this) should probably be more focused on resolution, and I think admining the proposal properly and reverting the haul is probably the best way forward.

Kevan: he/him

30-04-2024 09:56:07 UTC

Would generally lean to supporting this for the Haul status, although for the opposite reason that a larger Haul has less impact - it’s easier to divide up equally, and having more Florins in circulation will reduce the value of them.

Josh: he/they

30-04-2024 10:08:55 UTC

Depends on the chop, really - if quorum+1 splits it and leaves quorum-1 out in the cold then that’s a bigger delta to cross.

But either way, I think a weird lumpy result seems undesirable.

Kevan: he/him

30-04-2024 12:48:43 UTC

for

Nad: he/him

30-04-2024 13:44:39 UTC

for

JonathanDark: he/him

30-04-2024 13:52:07 UTC

for

Desertfrog:

30-04-2024 16:17:50 UTC

for

Clucky: he/him

30-04-2024 21:12:50 UTC

for