Sunday, May 09, 2010

Proposal: Differentiation

Self-killed -Darth

Adminned at 12 May 2010 08:55:54 UTC

For the purposes of this proposal, “blognomicer” and “blognomicker” are interchangeable, and the enacting admin should use the version that appears the most often in the ruleset when this is processed.

Add a rule “Groups”:

Each blognomicer may be a member of several groups, each denoted by a capital letter.  The current groups are “A” and “B”.  The membership of each group is tracked by its own GNDT column, the value of which defaults to “?”.  The only legal values for these columns are “X”, “?”, and “_”.  A blognomicer is in a group if and only if they have a value of “X” in the corresponding column.

At any time, any blognomicer may perform any of the following actions.  If the action requires a DICE roll, they must include the name of the blognomicer that will be affected in the GNDT comment when they roll the DICE:
* If any blognomicer has a “?” in column A, roll DICE2.  On a 1, replace it with an “X”; on a 2, replace it with an “_”.
* If any blognomicer has a “?” in column B and an “X” in column A, replace the “?” with an “_”
* If any blognomicer has a “?” in column B and an “_” in column A, replace the “?” with an “X”

This provides a way to have different rules affect different people in a reasonable way.  My next proposal will use these groups.

Comments

Klisz:

09-05-2010 16:26:14 UTC

imperial  Ridiculously complicated.

SeerPenguin:

09-05-2010 16:30:20 UTC

imperial Would it not be easier to just have a “Group” GNDT column with the only legal values being “?” “A” or “B”?

Darknight: he/him

09-05-2010 16:31:12 UTC

imperial

Tiberias:

09-05-2010 16:39:57 UTC

@SeerPenguin, I was trying to make it easy for other proposals to add more groups (independent of these) later.  Having a single “groups” column then causes problems with people that idle and then come back, with groups having been defined while they were away.

redtara: they/them

09-05-2010 17:27:04 UTC

imperial

dbdougla:

09-05-2010 18:22:10 UTC

imperial Peer pressure.

SeerPenguin:

09-05-2010 18:30:47 UTC

@Tiberias, there is no reason legal values could not be added to the Groups column.

Cov against

Will vote for on a Proposal that makes this less complicated, but I don’t have the time to write it up right now.

Klisz:

09-05-2010 18:40:31 UTC

Hmm, how is the specific group you’re in shown? As far as I can tell, the only way to be in a group at all is to have a value of X and that doesn’t say which group.

CoV against

Tiberias:

09-05-2010 18:56:26 UTC

@Seer: Yes, it’s trivial to add legal values to the groups column.  The problem comes when we add a group C that gets assigned randomly, and then someone unidles that is in A or B but not C, how do you write the rules to consider assigning them to group C only if group C was added since they idled?

Tiberias:

09-05-2010 19:03:23 UTC

@Darth: There is a column for each group.  If you have an “X” in the group’s column, you are in that group.  Thus, if you’re in group A, Seer is in group B, and I haven’t yet been assigned to a group, the GNDT will look something like this:

| A | B |
| X | _ | Darth Cliche
| _ | X | SeerPenguin
| ? | ? | Tiberias

PS. Apparently the pre tag doesn’t work, so the formatting is horrible here.

Galdyn:

09-05-2010 23:28:35 UTC

against like the idea but too complicated.

Klisz:

09-05-2010 23:42:00 UTC

@Tiberias: The proposal doesn’t make that clear at all (I interpret “The membership of each group is tracked by its own GNDT column” as “There is a GNDT column for group membership”).

Kevan: he/him

10-05-2010 08:22:37 UTC

“A blognomicer is in a group if and only if they have a value of “X” in the corresponding column.” seems entirely clear and unambiguous.

I admire the intricate craftsmanship here, but it does seem a bit fiddly, and rather too abstract.

against

spikebrennan:

10-05-2010 11:30:18 UTC

against

Tiberias:

10-05-2010 15:23:47 UTC

against s/k

Klisz:

10-05-2010 16:49:26 UTC

@Kevan: I had interpreted it as “‘X’ in the Group column means that a blognomicer is in a group, as opposed to not in one.”

Tiberias:

10-05-2010 17:31:24 UTC

@Darth, so I should have worded it as “the column corresponding to that group” instead of “the corresponding column”?

Klisz:

10-05-2010 20:09:47 UTC

@Tiberias: Perhaps; that would have probably cleared thins up. Either way, you probably should have just made one column.

muiro:

11-05-2010 13:16:59 UTC

against Until this has some kind of viable usage or is explained in a more elegant way.