Friday, July 23, 2021

Proposal: Food for the Soulless

Timed out and failed, 2-3. Josh

Adminned at 26 Jul 2021 07:41:33 UTC

In “Richardo’s Journey”, change

When the Crypt Awakens, each Vampire Lord who is not Bloodthirsty gains 1 Puissance.


When the Crypt Awakens, each Vampire Lord who is not Bloodthirsty gains 3 Puissance.

Based on a suggestion by Josh.

The two main Puissance sources that have been giving us all power for most of the dynasty (Library of Souls and Shattered Staircase) have either been broken by Blood Frenzies, or are about to become Purified, meaning that there aren’t many sources of Puissance left other than Industrious Denizens. In order to avoid forcing people to participate in that subgame, it makes sense to increase the basic rations a bit.


Clucky: he/him

23-07-2021 23:08:08 UTC

I worry this’ll make people more likely to become bloodthirsty. Can we also increase the cap on bloodthirstiness?

Clucky: he/him

23-07-2021 23:10:33 UTC

Its also a bit weird that someone at 13 would go to 16, but someone at 14 would stay at 14.


23-07-2021 23:16:51 UTC

This is less likely to cause accidental bloodthirst than the previous situation was – a flat +3 is more predictable than a random number of +2s based on how often the Library gets visited, so it’s easier to schedule your actions around.

As such, I think any raising of the cap should be a separate proposal, not tied to this one.

Clucky: he/him

23-07-2021 23:24:40 UTC

some people already have a lot of denizens. this puts them at increased risk of going over

increasing the amount you get for free alongside the cap feels like the neutral play. Its a bit more advantageous to the people without denizens, getting 2 or 4 puissance probably more important than if you get 7 or 9 puissance.

not increasing the cap puts this too strongly in the favor of people who don’t have denizens or other money engines built up.


23-07-2021 23:28:36 UTC

Denizens also give you a predictable gain.

This doesn’t increase the risk of going over compared to the situation before Raven’s Blood Frenzies. Apart from the Stair Muncher (which knocked almost everyone over the last time it got hit), there are very few sources of unpredictable Puissance gain around nowadays, and a predictable gain is much less likely to send players over than an unpredictable gain is.

Clucky: he/him

24-07-2021 00:28:43 UTC

sure, but you also have to keep in mind a lot of us don’t really have a benefit in passing this thing right now.

we can throw up a bunch of denizens in the fitness center, leave you resource starved, and be at an advantage. So this proposal really does need something that will actually get the people who have a lot of denizens or other resources to vote for it.

Josh: he/they

24-07-2021 07:03:21 UTC


Clucky: he/him

24-07-2021 07:07:31 UTC


why the for josh even though this has clear strategic gameplay advantages for players with less puissance generation?

lemon: she/her

24-07-2021 07:09:52 UTC


Clucky: he/him

24-07-2021 07:18:44 UTC

remember: the Shattered stairway will collapse next run, giving everyone who has a sigil there 2 puissance.

add that to the 3 from this makes 5. seems very easy for a couple of trips to the library to send anyone with a decent number of industrious denizens to go over the limit and not really get any benefit out of this

Josh: he/they

24-07-2021 07:49:47 UTC

@Clucky I’m surprised I have to say this but: starving half the players for tactical benefit also has a tactical dimension, so abstaining isn’t a neutral act, and also starving half the players for tactical benefit is very bad for the game, so I’d rather take a position on this.

Kevan: City he/him

24-07-2021 08:52:33 UTC


Clucky: he/him

24-07-2021 16:13:50 UTC

abstaining and letting the game play out is by definition is a neutral act

Clucky: he/him

24-07-2021 16:16:30 UTC

(granted you’re also currently voting for which arguably has tactical components to it, so maybe youre just okay with making tactical moves if you think it makes the game better which is fine)

Kevan: City he/him

25-07-2021 15:35:48 UTC

Noting that this proposal was written before it was revealed that the Library of Souls hadn’t been Blood Frenzied after all.