Thursday, November 28, 2024

Call for Judgment: If It Never Happened, How Long Has It Been?

Timed out, 1-3 with 1 DEF and Jury voting AGAINST. Failed by JonathanDark.

Adminned at 30 Nov 2024 05:21:33 UTC

Uphold Habanero’s comment on Race 1 on November 28 01:05:47 UTC as a legal use of the Slug of Death’s Movement Rules, and uphold the corresponding gamestate change on November 28, 2024 01:07 UTC.

I still believe that the Slug of Death couldn’t move per the rules stating that “If it has been at least 24 hours since the Slug of Death last moved in a ongoing race”, and the Slug of Death has never moved before in this dynasty, thus it is impossible for it to be at least 24 hours from something that never happened.

Comments

Habanero:

28-11-2024 02:01:36 UTC

Whoops, I completely agree. Probably a good idea to just undo it for being illegal since upholding this one instance won’t fix the actual rules.

Habanero:

28-11-2024 02:05:53 UTC

I’ve undone the moving for being illegal. No need to uphold, we can just wait until it’s fixed. Will probably vote against this once the edit window is up

JonathanDark: he/him

28-11-2024 02:23:17 UTC

Actually, one uphold would fix it because it would have then allowed future moves of the Slug of Death to use this one as a “it’s been 24 hours since this move”

I could also just edit this one to fix the rule as well. It’s well within the edit window.

Up to you though. If you really would rather wait until the rule is fixed, we can just let this fail.

Habanero:

28-11-2024 02:41:20 UTC

Eh, I find the idea of upholding a bit silly and would prefer to avoid it if I can. Seems strange to me to knowingly sit with an illegal gamestate under the knowledge that it will be retroactively legalized. A similar thing happened back in the Jenga dynasty, except worse since people were actually taking actions on the illegal gamestate.

JonathanDark: he/him

28-11-2024 06:55:57 UTC

against (can’t withdraw a CfJ)

Kevan: he/him

28-11-2024 09:14:19 UTC

With the illegality uncontested and just taking this as “let’s say the Slug of Death moved 1cm eight hours ago”, I’d tend to against as non-urgent.

against

Habanero:

28-11-2024 09:33:47 UTC

against

Clucky: he/him

28-11-2024 14:22:07 UTC

for

I would argue that “The slug of death last moved” being undefined as per “If a game variable has neither a default value nor a starting value, then both may be considered to be the nearest legal value to zero that it may take” then that value is set to be 0 time. And thus it has been 24 hours since “the slug of death last moved”

Raven1207: he/they

28-11-2024 19:04:45 UTC

imperial

JonathanDark: he/him

28-11-2024 20:23:57 UTC

@Clucky: I don’t quite understand what side of this you’re arguing. If moving the Slug of Death was legal, then this CfJ is unnecessary.

Clucky: he/him

28-11-2024 21:24:33 UTC

I disagree. To me, the CfJ failing would indicate that the change should not be upheld (i.e. current gamestate on the tracking page is correct)

Desertfrog: Jury

29-11-2024 11:29:48 UTC

against